Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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Scrote said:
No it doesn't solve anything. It's a convoluted solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.

Players can, and do, take on fluids and energy packs throughout the game. Some even carry them in their socks for short periods of time. They aren't stopping to eat a burger.
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So which part of the ‘instructions to players’ problem doesn’t it solve?
 
Scrote said:
But surely that (and the comment from Rodgers about the WBA substitution) just begs the question as to why managers are deliberately fielding weakened teams and risking injury to players that aren't at full fitness.

Players also take energy packs and drinks when there a vy.nn⁷re breaks for injury and during substitutions. Why do we need a special break if it isn't just performative?
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A low energy Fofana that they planned to sub off was probably better than the alternative.

To an extent it clearly is performative, but I think it's sending a positive message by having a dedicated break for it, and it probably makes it easier to allows players to avoid breaking with their beliefs.

Mo Salah didn't fast before the Champions League final in 2019 because of the issues surrounding energy levels, he might not have needed to with this new guidance.
 
BobendBert said:
This.

I do agree with Scrote that there are two separate discussions here. One is the booing of the break. That was very real. Several posters heard it, me being one of them and according to my wife it was audible on the telly too. The comments that many fans heard (me included) confirm what it was about. I think there’s a consensus of condemnation there.

The second question is whether in principle there should be a drinks break for a religious reason. I have a really simplistic view on that and it has genuinely surprised me how many people are against it. In a game and society where we want to be more tolerant and more inclusive giving a few Muslim players a drink of water at a convenient point in the game rather than telling them they shouldn’t play just seems such a small thing to do. To make people feel part of something and included and respected. Just a basically decent thing to do. I cannot for the life of me see any merit in the counter argument that it’s a thin end of some wedge or that we shouldn’t be making allowance for peoples beliefs. I think in the opposite way. That’s exactly what we should be doing. Helping people feel seen and respected and part of the game. What does it cost us? Nowt. A few minutes break in a football game that got added on at the end.
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Agreed. The rights and wrongs of the break are one thing, but as @BoroMart stated - and he is against the break - there were definitely boos for reasons of racism
 
BobendBert said:
Ok so what if a drinks station was set up behind each goal and at 25 mins each team went behind their respective goal to break the fast and the managers/coaches weren’t allowed to be there. Would that solve that problem?
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That’s a hypothetical and impractical solution. It also doesn’t solve the issue of religious interference in the game.

Just to clarify have we accepted that sunset is a specific fact that can be predicted with enough accuracy that any inaccuracy is not noticeable to man?
 
BoroMart said:
That’s a hypothetical and impractical solution. It also doesn’t solve the issue of religious interference in the game.

Just to clarify have we accepted that sunset is a specific fact that can be predicted with enough accuracy that any inaccuracy is not noticeable to man?
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Again with the condescension and sarcasm. Ive been nothing but respectful and open minded. I think you need to reflect on the way you handle people disagreeing with you and the way you deal with people. You adopt a very arrogant approach to something that clearly divides opinion.

I have already answered that question.

There’s nothing impractical about the solution at all. I didn’t ask if it solved religious interference. I asked if it sorted out the managers instruction point. Does it?
 
TeaCider said:
But given your opening post was derogatory towards religion in general, I don't think you're coming at it from an inclusive mindset to begin with.
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I have an absolute view that religion is a personal choice, I think it’s nonsense but respect anyone’s right to have their religion. But I don’t accept that persons views having any impact on non-believers or non-believers helping them carry the burden of their religious choice.

Theres nothing derogatory about that, nothing prejudiced, it’s simply my view on the moral and right position of religion in society. For eons religion has been given a special status in society that no other beliefs have. In my lifetime I’ve seen CoE with people guaranteed seats in the House of Lords simply to give their religion extra influence. I’ve seen schools allowed to push religious agendas and indoctrinate kids, I’ve seen public funded tv actively pushing religion and of course religious institutes afford the position of ‘charity’ while taking in millions from properties. It’s my right to hold my views on all of that and much more, and call out where I see an over reach of religion in society.

As I’ve stated before, I support any personals right to follow whatever religion they want, that’s their choice, but it’s my right to call out where that exceeds it’s personal belief and starts impacts beyond the self.
 
BobendBert said:
Again with the condescension and sarcasm. Ive been nothing but respectful and open minded. I think you need to reflect on the way you handle people disagreeing with you and the way you deal with people. You adopt a very arrogant approach to something that clearly divides opinion.
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That goes two ways mate
 
BobendBert said:
I have already answered that question
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You answered that it wasn’t a fact, I responded that it was within nano seconds? So have you accepted that sunset is a fact not an interpretation? Sorry if asking for clarification seems arrogant, but you simply weren’t clear. There was absolutely no intention of sarcasm or condescension either.

I think you need to take a breath and stop taking everything as a personal attack on you, it isn’t.
 
BobendBert said:
So which part of the ‘instructions to players’ problem doesn’t it solve?
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I'm happy to concede that setting up such a system would solve the problem of players getting instructions (as long as you made sure that there were no staff planted in the stands around the goals).

In fact, given the fact that you could have sneaked a staff member in, I think I'd prefer it if they set up a few picnic tables on the half-way line. Maybe get a brass band and some gymnasts on for a bit of razzamatazz. ;):ROFLMAO:
 
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