Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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BobendBert said:
I think I’ve been respectful throughout.
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I’ve seen worse but I don’t entirely agree with that.

BobendBert said:
It’s not behind possibilities but it’s also very very fanciful. Do you not think that Kompany could get those instructions on to field without a drinks break?
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I coached kids with about 20 fans watching and even then you have to limit the amount of info you give. If I had one of my toughest away games and the ref asked if I wanted a break after 20 mins, I’d jump at the opportunity to sit them down and adjust things.

We might as well sack Carrick and our coaching team, because it’s “fanciful” that a manager can give tactical advice that can materially change a game. Sack them all save the money and let Howson pick the team, but the players must sit in silence at half time because any discussions on tactics are fanciful, better to just get your breath back.
BobendBert said:
You’re open to inclusivity as long as (a) it doesn’t interfere with the game, (b) doesn’t give away a remote possibility of advantage to a team and (c) doesn’t give way to a tidal wave of other interferences in the name of religion?
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Exactly, run grassroots level campaigns at mosques to get boys and girls into youth footy, in areas with large Muslim communities ensure there are midweek leagues so that the kids don’t miss out due to weekend religious schooling. Then maybe we will have more Muslims playing. As for the professional game, no religious or any other belief system should be given concessions. Glad you understand even if you don’t agree.
 
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TeaCider said:
8 minutes prior if they break it immediately on the internet definition of sunset, whilst the team are preparing for the match and/or waiting in the tunnel
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It’s not the “internet definition of sunset”, it IS sunset, which is a meteorological fact.

Google don’t have people stood on a rooftop, shouting “nope I can’t see it, press the button, it’s sunset”. They get the data from various national weather agencies. You can find the sunset time for any point on the planet a decade in advance if you want to and I’d be damned sure Muslims use apps drawing this same data to know when sunset is
 
BoroMart said:
It’s not the “internet definition of sunset”, it IS sunset, which is a meteorological fact.

Google don’t have people stood on a rooftop, shouting “nope I can’t see it, press the button, it’s sunset”. They get the data from various national weather agencies. You can find the sunset time for any point on the planet a decade in advance if you want to and I’d be damned sure Muslims use apps drawing this same data to know when sunset is
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My point is that it's only 8 minutes before kick-off if they're breaking their fast at the exact definition of sunset in Middlesbrough and no later, not that the definition is made up.

I'll trust the many Muslim players who've requested the opportunity to break their fast on the intricacies of religious observance.

I'd much sooner we allowed a break than have players deliberately delaying a restart in play outside of the guidance to allow it to happen, which is what spurred the change in the first play.
 
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BoroMart said:
I’ve seen worse but I don’t entirely agree with that.
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Then tell me where. I’m always willing to learn and apologise.

BoroMart said:
I coached kids with about 20 fans watching and even then you have to limit the amount of info you give. If I had one of my toughest away games and the ref asked if I wanted a break after 20 mins, I’d jump at the opportunity to sit them down and adjust things.

We might as well sack Carrick and our coaching team, because it’s “fanciful” that a manager can give tactical advice that can materially change a game. Sack them all save the money and let Howson pick the team, but the players must sit in silence at half time because any discussions on tactics are fanciful, better to just get your breath back.
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Not what I said. The opposite actually. I said that they can get those instructions onto the field without needing a break. Same for both teams so it then boils down to which manager is better. All fair.

I’m a grassroots coach now. I have no idea what rule would stop me giving as many instructions as I want to.
BoroMart said:
As for the professional game, no religious or any other belief system should be given concessions. Glad you understand even if you don’t agree.
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Me too. I don’t agree, but Scrote’s post has given me pause for thought. As have yours. I don’t understand the personal undertone of some of your posts but tmaybe that’s just me.

BoroMart said:
It’s not the “internet definition of sunset”, it IS sunset, which is a meteorological fact.
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It’s actually a prediction based on mathematical formula that isn’t ever 100% accurate.
 
TeaCider said:
My point is that it's only 8 minutes before kick-off if they're breaking their fast at the exact definition of sunset in Middlesbrough and no later, not that the definition is made up.
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But people are saying it’s only 30 seconds for a sip of water but now the argument is that having 16 times as long prior to the game isn’t enough time for the same sip of water?!

My head hurts at these logical gymnastics, please someone make it make sense!!
 
BoroMart said:
But people are saying it’s only 30 seconds for a sip of water but now the argument is that having 16 times as long prior to the game isn’t enough time for the same sip of water?!

My head hurts at these logical gymnastics, please someone make it make sense!!
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I’ve already explained this one above. You talk about logical gymnastics but you’re as guilty as anyone!!
 
BobendBert said:
It’s actually a prediction based on mathematical formula that isn’t ever 100% accurate.
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It’s within nano seconds, and apparently I move goalposts.

They had 8 mins prior to kick off for refuel. 16 times longer than you claim they needed during the game. Why did they actually need in game refuelling then??
 
BoroMart said:
But people are saying it’s only 30 seconds for a sip of water but now the argument is that having 16 times as long prior to the game isn’t enough time for the same sip of water?!

My head hurts at these logical gymnastics, please someone make it make sense!!
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No, I'm saying that kick-off times and the date will impact when they can break their fast.
It's 8 minutes before because it's early in the period and we kicked off at 8pm.

If we kicked off at 7:45pm or next Friday, they're in the middle of play.

It's hurting nobody to just allow it to happen throughout Ramadan, why allowing Muslim players to request it is hurting nobody.
The Burnley players requested it.

But given your opening post was derogatory towards religion in general, I don't think you're coming at it from an inclusive mindset to begin with.
 
BobendBert said:
Not what I said. The opposite actually. I said that they can get those instructions onto the field without needing a break. Same for both teams so it then boils down to which manager is better. All fair.

I’m a grassroots coach now. I have no idea what rule would stop me giving as many instructions as I want to.
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It’s the practicalities of the amount of info you can give from the side of the pitch. You can talk individuals, you can’t talk units for a start. You might have good access to talk to the LB but the RB has no idea what you are saying. This is as true at grass roots as at pro level.
 
BobendBert said:
The 15 pages have had little to do with the booing or the racism.
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Sure there is racism and booing the knee is horrific in my opinion but as many people have stated across the 15 pages of arguments, including me, is that in this instance most people there were unaware that the break was for ramadan. Any booing ( which was confined to a small minority of idiots) was aimed at the misunderstanding of what was going on. A Burnley player went down, a few expressed frustration and wondered what was happening. Yes the Club should have announced what was going on but didn't. I was perfectly happy that a drinks break was taken for this reason - if only I knew.
 
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