How do you feel about the booing of the Ramadan water break?
I think it's terrible.
I'm yet to be convinced it happened to any large degree. I was at the match and I heard nothing.
If it happened at all it's reprehensible. I assume you informed the stewards of of the people you heard booing it for racist reasons?
What argument have I lost? I’m commenting on the booing of a water break to support those fasting for Ramadan. We have all lost when we just accept it, there is no argument here, we have a deep lying racist element amongst our fanbase.
We have a deep lying racist element in our fanbase, agreed, but the game shouldn't have breaks for players that are fasting for Ramadan, in my opinion.
I wouldn’t want to debate with anyone who thinks like that, we are a diverse forum are we not? To not want to give those fasting the opportunity to take a very very short break and take some water on is awful.
Disregarding the fact that sundown was prior to kick-off the players have a 15 minute break to take on fluids etc. They can also grab supplements etc. from the sidelines at any time during the game without there being a stoppage. Where is the problem?
So what is the solution, do we not allow fasting players an opportunity to break their fast, or we do just not select them in the starting xi?
We don't select them if their physical condition might affect their performance. Why was Riley McGree not starting against Huddersfield? He was tired from being away with Australia. Why didn't we have a refueling break in that match for him? Teams have large squads and managers need to manage the various requirements of their players.
To religious individuals, personal commitments will always take precedence over a game of football.
If there's sensible solutions to allow individuals to adhere to any religious observances without causing severe interruption to a game of football, exceptions will always be made.
How is it a personal commitment if it affects other people?
The sensible solution is not to select players if they aren't fit enough to play. How is endangering a players health and then throwing in a token drinks break following any duty of care?
Okay, in that case, there should be no religious individuals (Muslims in this case) on the playing field during Ramadan ( or any other religiously significant period) as any break in play will cause individuals like yourself to be severely impacted. Or should they be on the field, and they choose to fast, they should not be afforded an opportunity to break their fast. Got it.
They have an opportunity to break their fast - half time (and in this case they could have broken their fast prior to kick off).
I don't think there has been anywhere near as many Muslim footballers as there is now. If you add that to the increased physicality and intensity of the sport it's no wonder the PL and EFL have decided to act.
If a player isn't fit enough to be on the pitch then it's the managers responsibility not to put him there.
So again, what is the solution, do managers drop fasting individuals from the starting xi? Do we stop individuals from fulfilling religious obligations and hence fasting altogether? None of that is going to happen and that's something we'll have to learn to deal with.
If they aren't fit enough to be in the starting 11 (as per Riley McGree coming back from international duty) then yes, the manager should drop them. If an individual wants to observe a religious festival then they have to accept that their personal choice has consequences. That is the nature of 'sacrifice'.
