Booing the Ramadan drinks break

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Scrote said:
Ah okay, you might need to take more care to make it clear that your second sentence isn't following from your first.

I have no problem with a simple drinks break if it's required to get the game to go ahead*. I do have a problem with people accusing Boro fans of being racist en-masse when there is virtually zero evidence for it.

*in this case it wasn't, in my opinion
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Nobody is suggesting that I don’t think. Equally though it’s not a stretch to suggest (and the booing came from the same area of the ground) that the booers might be racist? Some of the comments on here confirm it. It’s my experience of it too.
 
In reality was probably a bit of both. Some bigots knowingly booing the Muslim link. Others unknowing and frustrated that the game was being slowed down by a seemingly unnecessary break.
Personally I had no idea what the break was for.
 
The_Tiler said:
Simple solution would be to let the affected players leave the field at an allotted time to take on fluids etc. The game doesn't stop, their team plays on without them.
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Even this is overkill. The game has enough stops and starts and players move about enough that you can certainly get the packets of whatever on to players that need them.

If the players are going to be so critically weak that they can't last another 20 mins until half-time then they shouldn't be on the pitch endangering their own and others safety (mis-timed challenges due to tiredness).

I read an article about women being more susceptible to injury (especially ACL) during their periods in light of the discussions about the England team (and others) changing short colour. It brings up the same sort of debate around risk and player health.

We bring in concussion checks and then allow weakened players to start games - it doesn't make sense.
 
We want an inclusive, more tolerant society and sport. But not if it means the inconvenience of a 30 second break in play in some games for a month to allow players to have a drink for the first time that day. Oh no, those players just shouldn’t play.
 
Archiestephens_elbow said:
Don't shoot me down but what would happen if the players ignored the rules of Ramadan during a match day?


Would they be in trouble?
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Nothing beyond the religious. My understanding is that it is a faith based practice. Intentionally breaking the fast before the right time is a major sin.
 
BobendBert said:
We want an inclusive, more tolerant society and sport. But not if it means the inconvenience of a 30 second break in play in some games for a month to allow players to have a drink for the first time that day. Oh no, those players just shouldn’t play.
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So where would you draw the line?

A whole bunch of religions have fasting days throughout the year. Should we take breaks for them all?

Do we take a break if one player out of the 22 needs it or only if there's more than five?

Why are we, in a Christian country, playing games at 3pm on a Good Friday? Shouldn't we be making allowance for all the people that are attending church for the 3pm service - one of the most important in the calendar?

Tolerance could easily be manifested by managers tolerating their players missing games due to their religious belief.
 
Scrote said:
So where would you draw the line?

A whole bunch of religions have fasting days throughout the year. Should we take breaks for them all?

Do we take a break if one player out of the 22 needs it or only if there's more than five?

Why are we, in a Christian country, playing games at 3pm on a Good Friday? Shouldn't we be making allowance for all the people that are attending church for the 3pm service - one of the most important in the calendar?

Tolerance could easily be manifested by managers tolerating their players missing games due to their religious belief.
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The clubs make a request to the referee when the fast break is needed which I guess is determined by whether any Muslim players are playing. Referee then finds a convenient time. It’s not a big deal unless you want to make it one I don’t think. I’d rather accommodate then just say that a Muslim can’t play.

Different question but I’d be in favour of saying no games at 3pm on Good Friday. Same as Christmas Day really.
 
Brian Marwood said:
I just had a quick look on here and saw this thread with 11 pages which I opened expecting overwhelming support of the quick break. How wrong I was. Sometimes I am surprised, today I am shocked.
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It’s depressing isn’t it, we have a racist element amongst our support.
 
Brian Marwood said:
I just had a quick look on here and saw this thread with 11 pages which I opened expecting overwhelming support of the quick break. How wrong I was. Sometimes I am surprised, today I am shocked.
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Why would you expect overwhelming support? I can understand expecting there not to be racist booing but no-one, as far as I'm aware, has defended that.

I didn't want games cancelling for the Queen's death. I didn't want the minutes silence when they deemed it acceptable to play again after she'd been laid to rest. However, I didn't, and wouldn't, disrupt the observance.

I don't (having had a good think about it) want games disrupting for anyone's religious observance. It should be a personal choice that entails a personal sacrifice.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Am sorry Im all for calling out racism and islamaphobia when its around but last night? Most fans were unaware that it was a "ramadan drinks break" and anybody who was "booing" and it must have been a very small minority as I heard nothing, were expressing frustration that the game had stopped seemingly for a time out whilst a Burnley player was receiving some minor treatment.
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The guy next to me in block23 was booing. I asked him what was going on. He replied ‘just me fcuking time wasting’. As sunset was before kick-off, and the second break (from memory) was about ten minutes from time; the timings seemed a little odd.
 
BobendBert said:
We want an inclusive, more tolerant society and sport. But not if it means the inconvenience of a 30 second break in play in some games for a month to allow players to have a drink for the first time that day. Oh no, those players just shouldn’t play.
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It’s a 2 minute break, and giving specific benefits to a minority isn’t being inclusive and fair.
BobendBert said:
The clubs make a request to the referee when the fast break is needed which I guess is determined by whether any Muslim players are playing. Referee then finds a convenient time. It’s not a big deal unless you want to make it one I don’t think. I’d rather accommodate then just say that a Muslim can’t play.

Different question but I’d be in favour of saying no games at 3pm on Good Friday. Same as Christmas Day really.
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they can play, but if they choose to show their love and loyalty to their particular deity through the test of fasting, then do it properly, if it inconveniences your life and job then that’s part of your test of faith. Don’t look for a get out clause and help with your test of faith.
 
BoroMart said:
It’s a 2 minute break, and giving specific benefits to a minority isn’t being inclusive and fair.
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So 120 seconds of ‘inconvenience’ then. Blimey. Not sure how we all cope!

BoroMart said:
they can play, but if they choose to show their love and loyalty to their particular deity through the test of fasting, then do it properly, if it inconveniences your life and job then that’s part of your test of faith. Don’t look for a get out clause and help with your test of faith.
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You’re talking about giving a few players a couple of minutes to have a drink. Have you heard yourself?
 
BobendBert said:
So 120 seconds of ‘inconvenience’ then. Blimey. Not sure how we all cope!



You’re talking about giving a few players a couple of minutes to have a drink. Have you heard yourself?
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when someone needs sarcasm they’ve lost their argument.

Players drink all the time it doesn’t need a special break
 
BoroMart said:
That isn’t sarcasm, what singular label do you want me to call the various gods invented by people from around the globe through the eons?
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Ah that’s not sarcasm. I see. So using the term sky fairies wasn’t designed to mock and belittle? Rightio. Pull the other one mate.

But if that’s not sarcasm, neither is mine. What else should I say to someone that’s upset about a drinks break?
 
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