Astra Zeneca vaccine death in Tenerife. article copied from Canarian Weekly newspaper

HolgateCorner said:
The safety of the Astra Zeneca jab has slowly crept up the news agenda since it was first written off as a political manoeuvre by the Germans and the French a few weeks ago.

These things are completely different to driving a car or wearing a seatbelt. If you thought your wheel might fall off you wouldn’t drive on the A19.

Nobody should be taking a vaccine which is causing blood clots without the problem being investigated thoroughly.

Its ok brushing it off until it’s you or your family who get the clotting.
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I'm not disagreeing but this exact argument has obviously been made about covid itself many times.

I am starting to worry if 'lockdowns' are the only thing governments really know how to implement safely that the media and population appear to mostly accept ie a deeply risk averse strategy is society's only collective answer to this problem.
 
This pandemic has been managed by stats i.e. the likelihood of transmission and death. The number of cases of complications are so low, that statistically speaking they are insignificant. This does not warrant more than a cursory glance and should not cause so an overreaction.
In my opinion if the EU dont want the vaccine, then release the claim on the vaccine produced to countries that do want it. That could be the UK, but also poorer nations. You have to look at the bigger picture and vaccinate people across the world.
I am sure that someone could produce all sorts of other stats about the situation given the data. For example how many die on the way there, or even suffer illness waiting for there turn. I am sure that someone could make these into frightening figures.
 
I know of at least one overweight, lazy get on North Tyneside who used having the first AZ vaccine as an excuse to lay around the house being waited on the next day. Miraculously, he survived this serious case of housemaid's a*se and is currently opening a bottle of real ale while pining for his 2nd jab in May.

I'll keep you updated with any further developments in the next edition of the Tyneside 'singing like a' Canary.
 
atypical_boro said:
I'm not disagreeing but this exact argument has obviously been made about covid itself many times.

I am starting to worry if 'lockdowns' are the only thing governments really know how to implement safely that the media and population appear to mostly accept ie a deeply risk averse strategy is society's only collective answer to this problem.
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Personally I think we have to get out of lockdown and the vaccine will obviously help that.

My view on the AZ overriding risk of clotting for younger people is that if other vaccines are available without the risk (which they are now) then we use the others instead.
 
It’s still a theory that the vaccine is causing the clots. The bodies of those that have died have acted in a way which scientists can’t fully understand yet from what I can gather following on twitter

(@sailorrooscout is worth a follow for stuff like this)
 
I predicted before Christmas that there would be a point, once firmly into rollout, where the vaccine's safety would come under heavy scrutiny and terrify the population, I'm sure many/most others predicted the same. Now its happened, should I be surprised/scared or should I shrug my shoulders and not take it seriously?

The reality is that I don't know and I don't think society knows. My biggest concern is that society will continue to tie itself in knots over Covid until something more scary starts to dominate the headlines and airwaves and we become preoccupied with that. I really hope this fear is just a reflection of my frame of mind after 13 months of societal meltdown, rather than an inevitable reality.
 
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atypical_boro said:
I predicted before Christmas that there would be a point, once firmly into rollout, where the vaccine's safety would come under heavy scrutiny and terrify the population, I'm sure many others predicted the same. Now its happened, should I be surprised/scared or should I shrug my shoulders and not take it seriously?

The reality is that I don't know and I don't think society knows. My biggest concern is that society will continue to tie itself in knots over Covid until something more scary starts to dominate the headlines and airwaves and we become preoccupied with that. I really hope this fear is just a reflection of my frame of mind after 13 months of societal meltdown, rather than an inevitable reality.
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Ah Grasshopper, you have wisdom beyond your years.
 
atypical_boro said:
I predicted before Christmas that there would be a point, once firmly into rollout, where the vaccine's safety would come under heavy scrutiny and terrify the population, I'm sure many/most others predicted the same. Now its happened, should I be surprised/scared or should I shrug my shoulders and not take it seriously?

The reality is that I don't know and I don't think society knows. My biggest concern is that society will continue to tie itself in knots over Covid until something more scary starts to dominate the headlines and airwaves and we become preoccupied with that. I really hope this fear is just a reflection of my frame of mind after 13 months of societal meltdown, rather than an inevitable reality.
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One of the vaccines. I think we need to be clear here. The conversation seems to think we only have one type of vaccine
 
SmallTown said:
One of the vaccines. I think we need to be clear here. The conversation seems to think we only have one type of vaccine
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Although there are several vaccines, British “hopes” appear to be largely pinned on one, don’t they? Commercially and medically.
 
atypical_boro said:
Although there are several vaccines, British “hopes” appear to be largely pinned on one, don’t they? Commercially and medically.
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The UK has ordered 40 million doses of Pfizer's vaccine, 100 million doses of the Oxford vaccine, and 17 million doses from Moderna.

Four vaccines awaiting MHRA approval; Novavax (60 million doses), Janssen (30 million doses),Valneva (60 million doses), GSK (60m doses).
 
AZ vax was underwritten by UK Gov to get early launch. The government made the UK tax payer liable for the financial risk if there is a problem. Good of them.
 
MrIsaac said:
30 cases in 18 million is actually less than the general rate of aneurysms without a vaccine.

It pays to have it, it’s as simple as that. Ignore the nonsense.
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Do you think they are right to stop the trial of the vaccine on children who have no risk of dying from Covid?

Or is that nonsense as well?
 
bear66 said:
The UK has ordered 40 million doses of Pfizer's vaccine, 100 million doses of the Oxford vaccine, and 17 million doses from Moderna.

Four vaccines awaiting MHRA approval; Novavax (60 million doses), Janssen (30 million doses),Valneva (60 million doses), GSK (60m doses).
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Fair enough but in the short term pretty dependent on AZ surely?
 
atypical_boro said:
Why are they even testing it on children? Or do we know (for sure) that it stops the spread?
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The stopping the spread issue came up on Newsnight. I'd presumed that the decision of risk versus reward for making a decision on the AZ vaccine was simply for the individual being vaccinated. The Bristol university bod said that the reduction in transmission from vaccinating younger people was more beneficial to older people and that would also be considered. So logically vaccinating schoolchildren would be for that reason.

In answer to your question above, yes we seem to be mainly reliant on AZ but Moderna is coming through this week. There was a report this morning suggesting no more first jabs till July due to the shortage of vaccines coming through.
 
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