As a fan - as an individual:

It was bad enough at the match. The mockery, vile and personal comments from very angry men in the crowd was pretty embarrassing.

I think some enjoy having an excuse to show how angry and aggressive they are. Some alpha male complexes bless them.

That’s the problem with success, you get more idiots. The 4 fellas that have arrived behind me and bought season tickets, not a brain cell between them. And appalling banter, school boy level. 40 odd year old too.

Our fan base have not the patience nor the mental capacity to give the new young lads time to develop. Too angry for all that. Probably the same at all clubs to be fair.

A few calling for Carrick already. He was the messiah 3 months ago.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Like I said on another thread, it is amazing how many new user names appear after a defeat or a bad run of results. The majority know they are spouting rubbish and don’t want it associated with their main board name.

I wouldn’t like to be in the trenches with some of these. 🤔
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The man you do want in the trenches with you is the OP.
 
I think part of the issue is there are so many voices and platforms for those voices that people use hyperbole when raising concerns in order to be heard. This, in my opinion raises toxicity levels and is a big part of the issue. Take Sammy Silvera as an example. On another thread he was described as "a terrible, terrible footballer". This is not true. He is however a young lad, playing in a foreign country in a league that is notoriously tough. If he takes 6 month to get up to speed he is doing well. How does that terrible comment help in any way? I am sure the players will read this board and I just cringe at some of the posts. It doesn't need to be that toxic.

You would think our fans would realise what can happen to a player with a bit of confidence and support. Only last season we had a player that was written off by large majority of the fans before the season started and those same fans were chanting his name and begging for him to stay.
Hackney was another that was written off after a poor spell at Scunthorpe, but is now in the England Under 21 squad.

Get behind the team, support the team as that is what we are after all..."Supporters".
 
Legz said:
Exactly this!! Like I put on another post yesterday we have to give Carrick and the team time. Yes it's a disappointing start to the season, but if this season is just about geling this young team together than so be it.
Yes we've lost some great players...but after the way they all played last season it was obvious they were going to put themselves in the shop window over the summer.
I understand fans are disappointed and yes they do have their right to criticise but there is a big difference between constructive criticism and openly being vitriolic
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But how close do we allow the ‘gelling’ to take us to relegation? League One would be disastrous surely, for the sake of going all in on a project.
 
B17er said:
I think part of the issue is there are so many voices and platforms for those voices that people use hyperbole when raising concerns in order to be heard. This, in my opinion raises toxicity levels and is a big part of the issue. Take Sammy Silvera as an example. On another thread he was described as "a terrible, terrible footballer". This is not true. He is however a young lad, playing in a foreign country in a league that is notoriously tough. If he takes 6 month to get up to speed he is doing well. How does that terrible comment help in any way? I am sure the players will read this board and I just cringe at some of the posts. It doesn't need to be that toxic.

You would think our fans would realise what can happen to a player with a bit of confidence and support. Only last season we had a player that was written off by large majority of the fans before the season started and those same fans were chanting his name and begging for him to stay.
Hackney was another that was written off after a poor spell at Scunthorpe, but is now in the England Under 21 squad.

Get behind the team, support the team as that is what we are after all..."Supporters".
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The players aren't the problem as such it's the strategy the clubs implemented. The players we have brough in do have little to no experience of this league and even in some cases Country. Yet the management team of the club expects to throw them out after a few training sessions expecting them to pick it up and get results. In the Karanka and even Wilder days they would sit on bench get a few appearances of the bench until they get used to the division. But nowadays as we have no like first team players for them positions they have been thrown in the deepend and are completely lost losing confidence and looking alot worse than their true ability is.
 
I haven't called for Carrick's sacking either on here or at the game.
Neither have I abused our players either on here or at the game.
However my opinions and criticisms are as valid as anybody else's and I don't need the OP to define what is constructive criticism and what isn't on my behalf.

There's a great deal of delusion on here. We are very poor. The squad is too large and lacks any quality in the final third. We have defenders who can't defend and midfielders who do not dictate tempo.

It's true we can't keep sacking managers in October but now the transfer window is closed I want to hear from the club (Carrick) just what is our philosophy this season.
 
Easterside_Red said:
I haven't called for Carrick's sacking either on here or at the game.
Neither have I abused our players either on here or at the game.
However my opinions and criticisms are as valid as anybody else's and I don't need the OP to define what is constructive criticism and what isn't on my behalf.

There's a great deal of delusion on here. We are very poor. The squad is too large and lacks any quality in the final third. We have defenders who can't defend and midfielders who do not dictate tempo.

It's true we can't keep sacking managers in October but now the transfer window is closed I want to hear from the club (Carrick) just what is our philosophy this season.
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“I haven't called for Carrick's sacking either on here or at the game.
Neither have I abused our players either on here or at the game.”

I not sure if anyone else on here has done either but why should we let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
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i find all the bleating to be reminiscent of Durham and Northumberland - very Geordie and Mackem esque.

the entitlement off some is nauseating - Crass in its extreme - The 'proud boys' of Teesside stuff.

worst of it is when they come back and defend their outbursts - absolute social lepers - all very social psychopath stuff.

because you bawl and shout on every thread it doesn't make your view/opinion any better


A little less Ego and a little more Soul.
 
I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying they want him sacked or saying he should be sacked. Not saying they don't exist but I haven't seen it.

I have seen posts of people discussing how long they think he will get if it continues the same way. And that's all it is. Discussion.

Carrick has been criticised my some posters for selection, formation etc. But again it's been discussion and constructive rather than abusive from what I've seen. We've had a terrible start. He's going to be criticised.
 
B_G said:
I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying they want him sacked or saying he should be sacked. Not saying they don't exist but I haven't seen it.

I have seen posts of people discussing how long they think he will get if it continues the same way. And that's all it is. Discussion.

Carrick has been criticised my some posters for selection, formation etc. But again it's been discussion and constructive rather than abusive from what I've seen. We've had a terrible start. He's going to be criticised.
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Careful, you’re in danger of being ‘socially psychopathic’

😆 FFS
 
Easterside_Red said:
I haven't called for Carrick's sacking either on here or at the game.
Neither have I abused our players either on here or at the game.
However my opinions and criticisms are as valid as anybody else's and I don't need the OP to define what is constructive criticism and what isn't on my behalf.

There's a great deal of delusion on here. We are very poor. The squad is too large and lacks any quality in the final third. We have defenders who can't defend and midfielders who do not dictate tempo.

It's true we can't keep sacking managers in October but now the transfer window is closed I want to hear from the club (Carrick) just what is our philosophy this season.
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Great post, there's a few camps that form every time anything like this happens. If anyone gives feedback at all, they're called bedwetters by the other camp. That camp decides they're the real supporters and we see many instances of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. They will say that people actually want us to lose so that they can complain, and the second we win a league game they'll be pointing out how we've turned a corner and the bedwetters were wrong etc.

The truth is you can point out obvious failings without being a crap fan or a bedwetter and if you can't spot areas for improvements in these games you're just being a cheerleader / fluffer for the club, giving blind faith. It's normal to want to be better than bottom of the league.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Roofie your over reacting theres very little ill felling. People want the club to succeed and in particular carrick. Reasonable and reasoned criticism should be welcome. If you dont like the posts take a step back
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It gets to the point where zero critical feedback is allowed bar I am / was disappointed with the result/ performance. If it’s sits outside of that criteria you are a bedwetter.

Being an eternal optimist or a happy clapper must be a way of life.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
It gets to the point where zero critical feedback is allowed bar I am / was disappointed with the result/ performance. If it’s sits outside of that criteria you are a bedwetter.

Being an eternal optimist or a happy clapper must be a way of life.
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I don’t believe that, I don’t believe in closing off the opposite argument. Don’t we all believe in friendly debate? As an example myself and @coluka are polar opposites today going back and forth but I’d like to think it’s been friendly getting both our points across and we essentially all want the same thing.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
It gets to the point where zero critical feedback is allowed bar I am / was disappointed with the result/ performance. If it’s sits outside of that criteria you are a bedwetter.

Being an eternal optimist or a happy clapper must be a way of life.
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It feels like a form of correctness.

You mustn’t criticise, even constructively, as you may offend someone.
 
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