Are you in favour of the latest deal with the EU ?

Chris_Boro said:
Any deal that keeps the likes of the ERG and Nigal Farage relevant is prolonging the agony.
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I think the public are fatigued with it now. Even Brexiteers (a significant proportion of which, not all, never really understood anything about the EU beyond “free movement of people”) won’t feel bothered enough to bleat on about it too much longer. Especially if we’re actually out.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think the public are fatigued with it now. Even Brexiteers (a significant proportion of which, not all, never really understood anything about the EU beyond “free movement of people”) won’t feel bothered enough to bleat on about it too much longer. Especially if we’re actually out.
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I think people haven't been too bothered about it all as nothing has really changed, which deal or not, is about to change.
 
What a completely stupid pointless exercise this whole thing has been. Leaving the EU will not improve anything for this country. Certainly the ordinary people of the UK will see no improvement at all.

If humans are to improve the planet, health and how people live more integration is needed. Not less.
 
SmallTown said:
One of the many many things I don't understand about brexit is why are fish so important. Its such a minority industry in the UK? Or is it because we are about to regress to a third world backwater and industries like fishing will be more important once all the financial services and manufacturing jobs go?
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Small town ; it isn’t important but Tory extremists call it symbolic to have control over our waters.
If we want full control the the EU wouldn’t allow free trade in other areas therefore compromise has been made.
So real control is a fantasy or lie depends how you look at it.
 
Nero said:
What a completely stupid pointless exercise this whole thing has been. Leaving the EU will not improve anything for this country. Certainly the ordinary people of the UK will see no improvement at all.

If humans are to improve the planet, health and how people live more integration is needed. Not less.
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Only cost 10 billion of tax payers money 👍
 
Chris_Boro said:
I think people haven't been too bothered about it all as nothing has really changed, which deal or not, is about to change.
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Like I’ve just said, the only changes are lots of red tape (forms and more forms) and regulation making everyone’s life a bit more difficult
Well worth 10 billions worth of taxpayers money 👍🤔
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Like I’ve just said, the only changes are lots of red tape (forms and more forms) and regulation making everyone’s life a bit more difficult
Well worth 10 billions worth of taxpayers money 👍🤔
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I know a company with sites all over the country and one in County Durham. Their business has negatively impacted by it. They move their product between the UK and Europe daily, but are now having to spend millions to meet criteria they didn't before. They will not be the only one too.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Small town ; it isn’t important but Tory extremists call it symbolic to have control over our waters.
If we want full control the the EU wouldn’t allow free trade in other areas therefore compromise has been made.
So real control is a fantasy or lie depends how you look at it.
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It seems petty. To make such a fuss over a largely symbolic gesture when there are massive industries to be worried about
 
Exactly, millions of businesses like this which will cut jobs not increase them.
Extremist groups run this country now and this is what you get with nationalism running wild
 
Chris_Boro said:
I think people haven't been too bothered about it all as nothing has really changed, which deal or not, is about to change.
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Don’t forget the campaigning will now start to rejoin, and it will hold as much water as any campaigns for “further distance”.
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Like I’ve just said, the only changes are lots of red tape (forms and more forms) and regulation making everyone’s life a bit more difficult
Well worth 10 billions worth of taxpayers money 👍🤔
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This is the thing. Someone yesterday made a flurry reasonable and well thought out post about the benefits of Brexit. One of them was an end to bureaucracy and overhead that having to deal with the EU brings. Which made sense on a political and judicial level. Sadly on a business level it’s introduced MORE red tape. Made things worse for any British based business. Even the positives have a strong negative side
 
SmallTown said:
This is the thing. Someone yesterday made a flurry reasonable and well thought out post about the benefits of Brexit. One of them was an end to bureaucracy and overhead that having to deal with the EU brings. Which made sense on a political and judicial level. Sadly on a business level it’s introduced MORE red tape. Made things worse for any British based business. Even the positives have a strong negative side
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Exactly, the EU have nailed it with the single market, great idea but small minded nationalists don’t like to think a huge benefit like free trade without silly red tape is worth it versus a blue passport
Idiot xenophobes
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Small town ; it isn’t important but Tory extremists call it symbolic to have control over our waters.
If we want full control the the EU wouldn’t allow free trade in other areas therefore compromise has been made.
So real control is a fantasy or lie depends how you look at it.
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Read an interesting article on the BBC the other day about Belgian fisherman having fishing rights in UK waters in perpetuity, going back to Charles II days when he granted it. That won't change regardless of any deal.

Also, about a year ago, I read a fascinating analysis of fishing rights in the UK, the majority of which are owned by Dutch conglomerates. So, even with us leaving the EU, we'll never 'get back control' of our waters, because the government years ago, auctioned off fishing rights. That ship has most definitely sailed.
 
Nero said:
What a completely stupid pointless exercise this whole thing has been. Leaving the EU will not improve anything for this country. Certainly the ordinary people of the UK will see no improvement at all.

If humans are to improve the planet, health and how people live more integration is needed. Not less.
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One world one race. If only. Corruption and greed will always win unfortunately.
When we have fission power and energy is plentiful and free we can be more egalitarian.
Star Trek does have some good ideas
 
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