Are you in favour of the latest deal with the EU ?

zorro_mfc said:
Yet you voted Tory and backed the brexit mantra. So you are upset about a vote you made for a party that implemented the referendum in the first place and then carried it out.

i still don’t get how you can’t see a link between the two.
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Parliament implemented the referendum and carried it out. Only the SNP voted against having the referendum.
 
Hopefully. Is people have had chance to read through it we will get some decent analysis on the deal.
 
SmallTown said:
No it probably wasn’t. It goes to highlight the intense stupidity of Brexit doesn’t it. We now have a deal that ties the country up in red tape, tariffs for our major industries and limits our own freedoms. The fact that brexiteers are celebrating this reduction in our quality of life is frankly baffling. Also the small tariff free concessions we do have, are dependant on us following EU rules anyway. It’s just such a senseless, destructive and futile process.
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Of course there was a better deal to be had. Customs union and single market and screw the ERG.
 
SmallTown said:
Pretty much this, yes. I think Johnson is hoping the British public don't work this out or they can spin it to blame the Eu themselves for the bad deal.
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I think it’s interesting what has happened. Either Johnson has never really believed in leaving the EU despite using it to gain power, or he was scared about the potential consequences of No Deal during the Covid problem or he thinks its the best chance of preventing the break up of the UK on his watch.

From what little we know he does seem to have sold the hardline Brexiters down the river whilst claiming a big victory.
 
Holgate I suspect brexit was a strategy to get him in to no 10 and beyond that the lazy idiot had no clue. The reality started to hit home when his economists laid out what a no deal exit actually meant. His bluster is just that, bluster.
 
brattleboro said:
and yet,,,,,life will still go on ,and the world will not end
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Yes. But we will be poorer, and have less rights, then before.

Its a really strange comment to make, no offense, but to just ignore the disaster that is brexit and the reductions in our rights and economy and say "it is what it is"

You forget we did this to ourselves. We can undo it.
 
I still cannot see where I am better off.
The PM admitting that he did not get what he wanted with Financial Services. Fisheries complaining that they have been betrayed. "A divergence of animal welfare"- not even sure what that means but it's probably not good news for animals.
Professional qualifications not being recognised if gained from abroad.
Erasmus scheme stopped- a replacement called the Turing Scheme is going to cost £100 million.
Data not being shared including the Schengen Information System. This is a vast database shared between EU countries and used to identify terrorists.
 
To be fair Trug the Turing scheme is an attempt to replace Erasmus and 100 million a year isn't a lot, it's the average funding of a uni per year.
 
SmallTown said:
Yes. But we will be poorer, and have less rights, then before.

Its a really strange comment to make, no offense, but to just ignore the disaster that is brexit and the reductions in our rights and economy and say "it is what it is"

You forget we did this to ourselves. We can undo it.
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No offence here either but to keep worrying about something that you have zero control over is going to drive you round the twist. The best you can hope for is that you turn out to be wrong because it’s happened and that’s that. All the hand wringing in the world is not going to change the fact that a vote was cast and the result went against you and admittedly plenty of others. Time to crack on surely?
 
Jimstewart said:
No offence here either but to keep worrying about something that you have zero control over is going to drive you round the twist. The best you can hope for is that you turn out to be wrong because it’s happened and that’s that. All the hand wringing in the world is not going to change the fact that a vote was cast and the result went against you and admittedly plenty of others. Time to crack on surely?
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It just seems stupid. To just “accept” we have less rights and a poorer economy
 
There are measures in the agreement for the possible imposition of tariffs if the UK diverges notably from existing standards. Johnson said this should not be viewed by Brexit-minded Conservative MPs as too restrictive.

“All that’s really saying is the UK won’t immediately send children up chimneys or pour raw sewage all over its beaches,” he said. “We’re not going to regress, and you’d expect that.”

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Not 'immediately'. Ok then.
 
SmallTown said:
It just seems stupid. To just “accept” we have less rights and a poorer economy
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Can you tell me what choice you have other than to accept the vote didn’t go your way and what you didn’t want to happen has happened? There is nothing you can do to influence it but you can just accept it and hope for the best.
 
Jimstewart said:
Can you tell me what choice you have other than to accept the vote didn’t go your way and what you didn’t want to happen has happened? There is nothing you can do to influence it but you can just accept it and hope for the best.
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Campaign for rejoining the EU or a renegotiation if the deal. I can’t believe you’ll be so blasé to just accept such a problematic issue for the country
 
Jimstewart said:
Can you tell me what choice you have other than to accept the vote didn’t go your way and what you didn’t want to happen has happened? There is nothing you can do to influence it but you can just accept it and hope for the best.
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Hope for the best. The world will not end.

Wow. :unsure:
 
SmallTown said:
Campaign for rejoining the EU or a renegotiation if the deal. I can’t believe you’ll be so blasé to just accept such a problematic issue for the country
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Ok fine if campaigning for rejoining the EU will lighten your burden that’s cool. Best of luck it might take a fair while.
 
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