Are we now just accepting the ST price increases then?

I'll walk away and count to ten...
No offence rob and I’m not being confrontational I’m merely saying I have seen text messages from Sunderland fans colleagues with my own eyes where they’ve been called by the school offering free tickets I’ve never once met anyone that has been to the riverside with their kid for free.

Maybe I’m mistaken but I’m just saying what I see.

And I see swaithes of empty seats.
 
Unless there is a miracle and we suddenly shoot up the league we will start to see attendances that will the norm next season (empty seats were s/t holders cant be bothered attending and walk ups not bothering paying a fortune each week).
I think that we will lose thousands of season ticket holders as increasing season ticket prices during a cost of living crisis isn't the best thing.
Walk up prices are ridiculous so that won't fill the empty seats
 
Rob - without bringing Toryism/politics into it (which are irrelevant), or wanting to pile on in any way, you are incredibly vocal about other clubs' ticket prices. It does seem a smidgen confusing that you criticise theirs but praise/support/justify ours, even when ours are much higher.

TBH I used to do that myself but I never criticised other clubs'. They're all out to extract the maximum possible amount they can from fans, including Gibson/MFC.
I'm not criticising other clubs - I criticised Fulham. They were at our level not so very long ago. They were charging £125 a ticket in the new Riverside Stand v Spurs.
 
You campaigned for the 'twenty's plenty' thing for years.
I did yes. We managed to get £30 in the Premier League didn't we. Not twenty but when you think of what Premier fans would have been facing, really good.
Especially compared to a few clubs in the Championship. I did stick my neck out and led the push for the reciprocal away fan deal with Leeds this season. I say stick my neck out because I pushed for it to go through without a lengthy consultation with supporters (some clubs and fans vetoed it).
I do argue for cheaper tickets with our club and I always have done. Sorry, I might present counter arguments on here but we have gone to the club armed with information about other Championship clubs. What comes back is a complicated argument - I was going to ask Steve Gibson to put this forward to you, you may remember. He did agree. I backed away because of all that abuse Mark Motley and one or two others received from fans at the time of price rises announcement. It just didn't seem worth it... sadly.
 
I have to be honest, I am far more annoyed at the council introducing car parking charges on a Saturday to the tune of £4 per match than I am with the Boro for increasing season ticket prices.
I fully appreciate that this won’t impact everyone but I do wonder why people on this board are so keen to criticise the club for anything but no-one is complaining about parking charges.
 
I did yes. We managed to get £30 in the Premier League didn't we. Not twenty but when you think of what Premier fans would have been facing, really good.
Especially compared to a few clubs in the Championship. I did stick my neck out and led the push for the reciprocal away fan deal with Leeds this season.
I do argue for cheaper tickets with our club and I always have done. Sorry, I might present counter arguments on here but we have gone to the club armed with information about other Championship clubs. What comes back is a complicated argument - I was going to ask Steve Gibson to put this forward to you, you may remember. He did agree. I backed away because of all that abuse Mark Motley and one or two others received from fans at the time of price rises announcement. It just didn't seem worth it... sadly.
Well, ok, but in principle you seem to want MFC (and all other clubs) to charge away fans £20 and yet are accepting of MFC season ticket holders now paying £22.17 per match, and casual fans much more. All I'm saying is that you seem to have been swayed by someone, possibly quite recently, whose name may begin with an S....
 
I fully appreciate that this won’t impact everyone but I do wonder why people on this board are so keen to criticise the club for anything but no-one is complaining about parking charges.
In fairness I usually walk to the ground from the station. But yeah, power to the people! I'm right behind you. 😁
 
I have to be honest, I am far more annoyed at the council introducing car parking charges on a Saturday to the tune of £4 per match than I am with the Boro for increasing season ticket prices.
I fully appreciate that this won’t impact everyone but I do wonder why people on this board are so keen to criticise the club for anything but no-one is complaining about parking charges.
Which car parks?
 
Well, ok, but in principle you seem to want MFC (and all other clubs) to charge away fans £20 and yet are accepting of MFC season ticket holders now paying £22.17 per match, and casual fans much more. All I'm saying is that you seem to have been swayed by someone, possibly quite recently, whose name may begin with an S....
I have seen the books as have you and others and the - figures certainly make for sobering reading as does the true cost of COVID to the club.
 
Anthony Vickers, once of this parish and a very nice fella imo, used to also get a bit tied up in knots trying to justify what the club was doing with its pricing while not affording other clubs the same degree of latitude. You know that deep down good people such as him, Rob, etc, they don’t agree with what the club is doing with prices and how they’ve behaved in recent times.

That’s my opinion tbf… I would also say, while we’re fighting each other on here we’re not fighting those responsible. I’ve always thought you can sense the mood of something by the way reasonable people are reacting to something. In the past few weeks, we’ve seen loads of reasonable posters expressing unhappiness towards Boro. Has anyone from the club attempted to engage with any of us since then? From what I can see, they have not. And that speaks volumes.
 
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I will probably be banned yet again for this, but here goes.

I don't think our SC's are too expensive, I think they are realistically priced.
I also see a justification for an inflationary increase.

HOWEVER.
The EB communication and shameful drawn out responses since the initial communication in bald stark email are what has left an awful taste in my mouth.

If the club had come out and thanked SC holders for their support, expressed understanding of the economic climate, the inflationary pressures they faced, the regrettable need to increase price to keep the club competitive; together with outlining their ambitions/intentions, then they would have barely created a wave.
Had they offered the 4 month payment plan, they would have committed most people, they would then have got the money before their financial year ended and in time for the opening of the summer window.

So the pitiful communication and high handed arrogance really rankled with me.
But my objection extends to Match Day pricing, where the figures demanded are extortionate. The price of a family to randomly attend a match at The Riverside is now scandalous.
My frustration extends beyond pricing, to so very many aspects of the club's interaction with fans.
The shameful retail strategy and operation; the woeful concourse offering and service; the amateur communication and PR from the club and the attitude to any form of criticism.

The initial extension of the deadline by 2 weeks was greeted by Rob as some kind of minor miracle - such a wonderful concession...
Then RF managed to get the U18 SC for EB reduced.
They got it through threatening to protest and good on them; let's not forget, like me they were highlighting the injustice - and financial lunacy - of Gibson's initial plan.

The season has been awful and our squad is a million miles from a top 6 squad. So much fan disgruntlement can be diffused by the football on the pitch and the club status.

The Club a year ago felt so much better. A real connection between Manager, players and fans. Big away support; crowds rising towards sell outs; exciting players pulling on the shirt, playing some of the best football for years and flying towards second spot. We fell short, but there was so much goodwill and willingess to support the surely inevitable ambition about to be shown in the summer window.
A year later, the players are significantly inferior, the performances a dire contrast and that connection strained.
What a time to assumptively reach the hand out for more money, even earlier, without thanks or reason to believe.

There are 7 of us as SC holders in the West Upper.
I sat by myself against Norwich, for the third time this season. I couldn't blame the others for not coming.
Around me there were loads of missing SC holders.
There is disgruntlement and a disconnect.

Many will renew as it is ritual, routine, in our blood.
4 of the 7 of us will, but 3 of 7 won't. If that is replicated through the SC base then the number would drop from c22k to c13k, with 2k of those being free kids in the white elephant but above criticism GRFZ.
I hope that ratio doesn't happen as I don't want to sit in those 2012-14 crowds again.

Meanwhile the constant circling of the wagons around the club whatever it does is mind numbing.
There are a couple of hundred Uriah Heeps who seem wedded to being ever so 'umble.
 
I have seen the books as have you and others and the - figures certainly make for sobering reading as does the true cost of COVID to the club.
It's not clear cut by any stretch.

But the counter to that is what is the true cost of the cost of living crisis to the average person?

I appreciate the money Gibson is putting into the club, but he's a multi millionaire. He can (arguably obviously) afford to that more easily than some fans can afford to stump up for tickets.

When he wanted to donate the gate receipts from a cup match with Chelsea to Ukraine, worth a few hundred grand, to make a point (and I'm fully supportive of it by the way) the state of the clubs finances didn't prevent him doing it.

I just think he's out of touch. Which is understandable, he's been very wealthy for a very long time.

But I don't really buy the argument he/the club have to do some of this stuff or charge what they do. It's a choice.
 
One extra thing worth mentioning that I think always gets overlooked. These prices aren’t ever going to come down. I mean can you ever see a time when Boro says they’re dropping prices from £35 to £30 or whatever it may be? It’s just never going to happen. What happened last time we went up? We were told of the £180m fortune and all the rest of it..: and then the ticket prices were raised.

Where are we going to be in 2, 4, 8 years? £45 watch us play a second-tier game at home to Barnsley or Wrexham or Peterborough on a Tuesday night? A game which, by that time, will no doubt be on telly anyway.

It’s just so, so short-termist. They’ve wrung as much as they can out of this particular sponge imo. I did think, naively, stupidly, that a new transfer strategy *could* see further rises in ticket prices avoided but that was obviously a very foolish notion. I think they will just take you for whatever they can get. We have to face it.
 
From experience I can thoroughly recommend the notion of just not renewing.

We had season tickets and gave them up about 4 years ago towards the end of Pulis. Had them about 15/16 years or so. Anyway, it became a routine that we just did out of habit and every year the prices went up and the same whinges and acceptance came in.

Eventually, we just decided to try not going every home game. We now attend the occasional one when we fancy making a day of it. Maybe twice a season at most. In all honesty, i don't miss it. We can watch on the dodgy stick whenever we wish really and last season was good but can't remember many other times I thought I was missing out.

Anyway, some will criticise which is fine but passing on what we did in the exact same situation and how much we are happy that we made the choice we did.

UTB.
 
The bigger issue is the discrepancy between ST prices and walk ups.
In the days of ayresome a season ticket saved around 10% now its closer to 50%.
Wont stop going but its now a luxury and tgat means a few less games , but the club dont really care about walk ups
 
The bigger issue is the discrepancy between ST prices and walk ups.
In the days of ayresome a season ticket saved around 10% now its closer to 50%.
Wont stop going but its now a luxury and tgat means a few less games , but the club dont really care about wal
Many fans share season cards - is a part solution to work a scheme of making unused season cards available for others on matchday not for matchday prices but for season card matchday prices?
 
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