Are the Government massaging the death rate.

bear66 said:
The critical number is those in ICU units. I don't know that number but about 350 were in critical care in the north East and Yorkshire (graph from press briefing yesterday). That is out of 7061 total positive cases.

Others may know if local Trust figures are publicised.
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I've been looking for that data for a few days, but I don't think it's available at a local level. The only data I can find which is published are the datasets which accompany the Government's daily press conference.

These include hospital admissions and critical care occupancy due to Covid-19 by NHS region, but not by local NHS Trust. As you say, there were 352 people in ICUs within the North East & Yorkshire region yesterday, which is 12.5% of the total for England.

There appears to be some debate happening within the health sector about the lack of such data sharing at a local level. There's even a suggestion that it is hampering critical care planning between Trusts. See article below:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/data-black-hole-hampering-covid-19-preparations-chiefs-warn/7027291.article
 
That's where I'm getting confused the difference between a trust and a hospital, so that would be that number spread over a few hospitals?
Also 350 critical out of 7061 isn't as high a number as I was expecting.
 
RandySavage said:
That's where I'm getting confused the difference between a trust and a hospital, so that would be that number spread over a few hospitals?
Also 350 critical out of 7061 isn't as high a number as I was expecting.
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It's reported by NHS Trust but, in reality, each Trust will probably only operate one A&E department/ICU. For example, South Tees NHS Trust runs both James Cook Hospital and The Friarage, but all of the Covid-19 patients will be at James Cook.

That 352 figure relates to the number of patients currently occupying critical care beds. As we've seen with the Prime Minister, people can be admitted and later discharged from intensive care. There will also, unfortunately, be a number who have died and left intensive care in that manner. Therefore, there will have been a much higher number than 352 people in our region who have required critical care at some point in their treatment.
 
Further 5 deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, taking total to 78.

3 further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, taking total to 20.

South Tees NHS Trust are now equal 2nd highest in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (from 2nd outright yesterday and out of 25 NHS Trusts) and the joint 33rd highest (from 30th yesterday) in the country (out of 164 NHS Trusts in England).
 
One further death announced by South Tees NHS Trust, taking total to 79.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 20.

South Tees NHS Trust are now 3rd highest (from joint 2nd yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 25 NHS Trusts) and the 38th highest (from joint 33rd yesterday) in the country (out of 164 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 20th in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 116th in the country.
 
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Billy Horner said:
One further death announced by South Tees NHS Trust, taking total to 79.

No further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, total remaining at 20.

South Tees NHS Trust are now 3rd highest (from joint 2nd yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 25 NHS Trusts) and the 38th highest (from joint 33rd yesterday) in the country (out of 164 NHS Trusts in England).

North and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 20th in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 116th in the country.
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Better news but still sad for one family.
 
I've seen on Facebook that the Friarage in Northallerton currently has 2 covid-19 wards setup.
 
738 infections in Teesside and 102 in NY in South Tees hospital district.

Less than 3% increase in Teesside.

Also a fall in those in critical care needs according to the daily briefing.

Hopefully this really is good news!
 
bear66 said:
738 infections in Teesside and 102 in NY in South Tees hospital district.

Less than 3% increase in Teesside.

Also a fall in those in critical care needs according to the daily briefing.

Hopefully this really is good news!
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I've just been speaking to a neighbor of mine who works as a paramedic and has just started his days off of shift. I didn't really want to get into a discussion about work but it came up and he said the past 3 days had been relentless basically just taking people to hospital with heavy covid-19 symptoms but every trip he had made had been either Redcar or Middlesbrough town. He believes at least 3/4's of cases in James Cook are from those two areas only.
 
Hopefully this isn't just reporting errors. R&C had just 1 new case yesterday, which is suspicious. Also, just 23 new cases across both North Tees and South Tees Trusts is either good news or poor reporting.
 
RandySavage said:
I've seen on Facebook that the Friarage in Northallerton currently has 2 covid-19 wards setup.
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Thanks RS. I'm surprised about that, to be honest, as you wouldn't have thought that they would have significant facilities on site, should patients suffer respiratory failure. I can only imagine they would be convalescent wards, for patients whose conditions are improving en route to discharge.

RandySavage said:
I've just been speaking to a neighbor of mine who works as a paramedic and has just started his days off of shift. I didn't really want to get into a discussion about work but it came up and he said the past 3 days had been relentless basically just taking people to hospital with heavy covid-19 symptoms but every trip he had made had been either Redcar or Middlesbrough town. He believes at least 3/4's of cases in James Cook are from those two areas only.
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That would make sense, I think. Not only are they the main population centres serviced by James Cook (middlesbrough urban area population approx. 180,000; Redcar population approx. 40,000), but they also form part of the wider Teesside conurbation. We have already seen in this country (London, Birmingham), as well as elsewhere in the world, that this virus thrives in urban settings, probably due to the higher population densities in those locations.
 
bear66 said:
Hopefully this isn't just reporting errors. R&C had just 1 new case yesterday, which is suspicious. Also, just 23 new cases across both North Tees and South Tees Trusts is either good news or poor reporting.
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Has anybody come out of hospital having improved or recovered under treatment?
 
Billy Horner said:
Thanks RS. I'm surprised about that, to be honest, as you wouldn't have thought that they would have significant facilities on site, should patients suffer respiratory failure. I can only imagine they would be convalescent wards, for patients whose conditions are improving en route to discharge.



That would make sense, I think. Not only are they the main population centres serviced by James Cook (middlesbrough urban area population approx. 180,000; Redcar population approx. 40,000), but they also form part of the wider Teesside conurbation. We have already seen in this country (London, Birmingham), as well as elsewhere in the world, that this virus thrives in urban settings, probably due to the higher population densities in those locations.
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Yes without him disclosing too much information he led me to believe that the Friarage is used for recovery.
 
Would have thought the opposite was happening here. Was told about someone who had all the symptons but was never tested and when they died it wasn't put down to Covid-19
 
asredastheycome said:
Would have thought the opposite was happening here. Was told about someone who had all the symptons but was never tested and when they died it wasn't put down to Covid-19
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This could also be true but I fail to see why they wouldn't test for it if they had all the symptoms?
 
Four further deaths announced by South Tees NHS Trust, taking total to 83.

Nine further deaths announced by North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust, taking total to 29.

South Tees NHS Trust are now joint 3rd highest (from outright 3rd yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region (out of 25 NHS Trusts) and the 37th highest (from 38th yesterday) in the country (out of 164 NHS Trusts in England).

North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Trust are 17th (from 20th yesterday) in terms of number of deaths in the North East & Yorkshire region and the 108th (from 116th yesterday) in the country.
 
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