Are the government, deliberately, setting man against man?

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Am I alone in thinking that the goverrnment are deliberately setting us against each other, with their messaging. It is not unknown that the right wing press, and government are in each others pockets. I wonder what their endgame is? Is it to distract us? Or is it just the difficult set of circumstances we find ourselves in, that make us fight and argue? In any event, it woill suites Johnson, his government, and the wider party, to create a target for you and I to blame. It, absoloutley, deflects blame from governance and on to our brothers and sisters.

Are we all idiots for falling for this? Blaming those not vaccinated, or wearing masks? Blaming those who choose to follow "the science". Are we not all after the same outcome? The least number of deaths, covid and non covid, the least amount of misery, the most amount of worthwhile lives that are possible?

It has become, in my opinion, just following your "team" and is having an effect, deliberate or otherwise, of distracting us from the major issues we face today, and I do not believe for a moment that covid is the major issue.

Falling, silently into a dictatorship. Allowing future generations to line healthcare pockets to maintain life. And I am absoloutely certain that this latter issue, will cost more lives in the UK than covid ever will. Withdrawing our basic human rights. Removing the right to protest. Removing the right to live here, even if you have a right to do so today.

I am becoming quickly dischuffed with borad members who care more about "proving a point" than actually opening their eyes and see what is happening. We are, as nation, to steal a quote from a few years ago, sleep walking into a third world country.
 
It's not so much about picking sides as it is achieving a common goal, that being getting back to normal.
Had we reacted to the pandemic better initially then we'd have less to argue about now. As it is, we show little sign of ending the pandemic here because the virus is too deeply entrenched in our society.
If we'd gone hard and fast and not dismissed the threat early doors it might have been a lot rougher, but we'd be better off now.
 
Randy said:
Divide and conquer to hold onto power.
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Exactly.

When you have a weak leadership that are acting against the best interests of the public to distract from this you use fear to set the public against each other. It is a common tactic of the Tories. You blame the poor, immigrants... and now the unvaccinated

The state of the UK and our handling of the pandemic if firmly the Tories fault but if you listen to them it appears it's all the fault of the EU, immigrants, Labour (even though not in power) and of course the people who haven't got the jab.
 
B-Man said:
This has always been their way. It’s how they got elected in the first place.
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But what is happening to us? And I don't think it's down to covid, that just highlights the social problems. If covid hadn't come along there would be daily brexit threads with one side calling the other.

We, collectively bang on about democracy whilst some call any tories scum. That's not really democracy its one side against the other. Even as Labour voters, in the main we bitch at each other about how left or right starmer is.
 
Soutra said:
No. This is a dysfuntional and incompetent government facing up to a hugely complex and difficult problem. They are flailing about like a drowning man. I wouldn't read anything more into it.
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If you take covid out of the equation and, I dunno go read the thread on tav for example you will see the same patterns of behaviour. Brexit it's a great example too. As a social species it is disappointing to see that break down.
 
I’ve pretty much had enough . I follow the guidelines as much as I can, wear a mask, have socially distanced, worked from home for almost 2 years, had all 3 jabs, Sacrificed visit in loved ones this Christmas in France And apparently it is still not enough.

Now we’re going to have to financially pay for it all for the next 10 years plus No one can tell us if this is normality and when it might be an end in sight.

I’m sick of the Damned statistics which seem to be skewed to show whatever they wish. Id love to see the number of positive cases as a ratio of the number of tests or the number of hospitalised people that are vaccinate or unvaccinated … (Maybe I just want someone to blame…)

We are testing like crazy right now ergo one assumes the number of positive cases will go up but a decent ratio will help us see if it looks like it’s getting worse . Deaths and hospitalisation don’t seem to be moving upwards thankfully.

It’s all a bit depressing.

It was easier when we could just Blame Brexit.

The only saving grace is that other countries seem to also be pushing through measures that are least as sanctioning as ours, So we’re not alone in this.
 
Laughing said:
Are we not all after the same outcome?
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No not if there are people refusing to vaccinated when we KNOW vaccines do work just look at the death toll now compared to this time last year to see that.

btw it’s not just here as every govt across the globe including socialist left ring ones have had similar issues it’s not about right wing this time.

yes this govt have been appalling in their slow and well non approach to the virus but you can’t fault this nations roll out of the vaccine.
 
zorro_mfc said:
No not if there are people refusing to vaccinated when we KNOW vaccines do work just look at the death toll now compared to this time last year to see that.

btw it’s not just here as every govt across the globe including socialist left ring ones have had similar issues it’s not about right wing this time.

yes this govt have been appalling in their slow and well non approach to the virus but you can’t fault this nations roll out of the vaccine.
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Zorro my point wasn't really about covid or about how the government have handled it but how we, you and I and other board members have handled it. It's now perfectly acceptable to name call.

Can you imagine if this board were a pub. It would be a bloodbath.
 
Laughing said:
Zorro my point wasn't really about covid or about how the government have handled it but how we, you and I and other board members have handled it. It's now perfectly acceptable to name call.

Can you imagine if this board were a pub. It would be a bloodbath.
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I agree Tory mentality is to set people against each other ( thatchers infamous no such thing as society) but I don’t think this govts ineptness isn’t some great grand plan just more incompetence and ineptness.
 
Laughing said:
But what is happening to us? And I don't think it's down to covid, that just highlights the social problems. If covid hadn't come along there would be daily brexit threads with one side calling the other.

We, collectively bang on about democracy whilst some call any tories scum. That's not really democracy its one side against the other. Even as Labour voters, in the main we bitch at each other about how left or right starmer is.
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Social media giving a platform to cranks hasn’t helped in the slightest. Let’s face it years ago these people would have been shouting alone on soap boxes at speaker’s corner and mumbling to themselves in pub corners and getting rightfully ignored and shunned. Then along came Tim Berners Lee.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Social media giving a platform to cranks hasn’t helped in the slightest. Let’s face it years ago these people would have been shouting alone on soap boxes at speaker’s corner and mumbling to themselves in pub corners and getting rightfully ignored and shunned. Then along came Tim Berners Lee.
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No it hasn't, I agree. I don't think it's the primary cause. I don't really know what is the cause.

A couple of years ago this board was far more tolerant and a pretty cool place to hang out with fellow boro fans. In the last year or 2 it has just become a divisive, and often unpleasant place.

I don't absolve myself of responsability, I am as likely to get snappy as the next man so it's not me blaming anyone else.
 
Social Media is to blame.

We live in a society today where anybody who disagrees with "us" is automatically classified as the worst possible example on the other side of the argument .. so, say you voted for Brexit : you're a thick ignorant racist .. say you have concerns about the vaccine : you're a raging loony anti-vax conspiracy theorist .. say you don't think trans women should compete in womens sport : you're transphobic and need cancelling .. say you don't agree with this kneeling malarky : again, you're automatically racist ..

Discussion and debate of the issues isn't important now, it's about "winning" without debate by shutting down the argument - "you disagree with me you're a <insert called name of choice>"
 
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Btw personally I have no issue with anyone not having the vaccine that’s their choice.

My issue is when they try to influence others into not having it by spreading miss information and lies.

Now that I DO have an issue with.

someone on here posted last week that there were no recorded deaths from omicron as though that’s some form of validation it’s not to be feared. As we now know this wasn’t correct and it is still very dangerous and very contagious.
 
Laughing said:
Am I alone in thinking that the goverrnment are deliberately setting us against each other, with their messaging. It is not unknown that the right wing press, and government are in each others pockets. I wonder what their endgame is? Is it to distract us? Or is it just the difficult set of circumstances we find ourselves in, that make us fight and argue? In any event, it woill suites Johnson, his government, and the wider party, to create a target for you and I to blame. It, absoloutley, deflects blame from governance and on to our brothers and sisters.

Are we all idiots for falling for this? Blaming those not vaccinated, or wearing masks? Blaming those who choose to follow "the science". Are we not all after the same outcome? The least number of deaths, covid and non covid, the least amount of misery, the most amount of worthwhile lives that are possible?

It has become, in my opinion, just following your "team" and is having an effect, deliberate or otherwise, of distracting us from the major issues we face today, and I do not believe for a moment that covid is the major issue.

Falling, silently into a dictatorship. Allowing future generations to line healthcare pockets to maintain life. And I am absoloutely certain that this latter issue, will cost more lives in the UK than covid ever will. Withdrawing our basic human rights. Removing the right to protest. Removing the right to live here, even if you have a right to do so today.

I am becoming quickly dischuffed with borad members who care more about "proving a point" than actually opening their eyes and see what is happening. We are, as nation, to steal a quote from a few years ago, sleep walking into a third world country.
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The Tories always have a go at various groups of people. They always have done. Single mothers, eco warriors, homo sexuals, benefit claimants, trade unions, miners, foreigners, black people, unemployed people. It's in their blood to govern at all costs and if it means turning people against each other to achieve this then that is what they do.
 
Trug said:
The Tories always have a go at various groups of people. They always have done. Single mothers, eco warriors, homo sexuals, benefit claimants, trade unions, miners, foreigners, black people, unemployed people. It's in their blood to govern at all costs and if it means turning people against each other to achieve this then that is what they do.
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I don't disagree, it just surprises me that it seems to be coming more and more effective.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Btw personally I have no issue with anyone not having the vaccine that’s their choice.

My issue is when they try to influence others into not having it by spreading miss information and lies.

Now that I DO have an issue with.

someone on here posted last week that there were no recorded deaths from omicron as though that’s some form of validation it’s not to be feared. As we now know this wasn’t correct and it is still very dangerous and very contagious.
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I pretty much agree with that. I can't understand why someone wouldn't get vaccinated, generally, but support their right to choose. Campaigning for others to make that decision seems morally dubious.

As I type this, I am thinking to myself, would I agree to my 10 year old being vaccinated? I don't know, if I have to make that choice I will look at the overall numbers and see if there is a net benefit to her. If not, screw the greater good, so to speak. With that in mind, I guess I can undestand why an 18 year old may not want to be vaccinated. They are at such low risk, the net benefit is porobably so marginal as to be non-existant.

However, trying to get others to agree with that position, seems a bit odd.
 
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