Anthony Joshua Agrees Terms to Fight Tyson Fury on December 3rd (or not)

[B_G]

Argue all you want but AJ could have signed the contract. He didn't. He wasn't desperate for the fight or he would have signed.

AJ will have 2-3 fights against bums as he tries to rebuild his reputation and get another title shot, if it ever happens.

Usyk's next fight will be against Fury. If Fury beats him and becomes the unified HW champ there is no way he's giving AJ a shot at that. If Usyk wins how long will it be before AJ gets a shot against him? Never? He'd have to hope Usyk gets beat and face that champ - a lot of ifs and buts.

I'm not sure what AJ's plan is. Unless something strange happens he's not going to get another title shot for YEARS. What is the point? He should have took the Fury fight with his 60/40 split and then if he got beat took up punditry. If he beats Fury he's back for 50/50 split fight. He'd make millions.

I can't see the downside to accepting the Fury fight. It is a total gift for AJ. He's an idiot to turn it down.

There could be anything in that contract that they are negotiating. Re-match clause, re-match split, re-match location. Size of ring. Weight of gloves. etc. etc. Like others have said above that even Fury's promoter has said negotiations were positive. Just because AJ isn't giving it the big on eon social media every day doesn't mean he's gone silent.

Like Chisora said, it's multi multi million pound contract and a massive fight. Contracts don't get signed quickly. They take time. It's only clowns on social media that believe Fury's bull

And if you think Fury is going to walk away from AJ, fight Charr and then jump in with Usyk then I think you'll get a nasty shock. We'll see this circus all over again next year when it comes to making the fight with "the middleweight".

 

[Chappy112]

AJ will have 2-3 fights against bums as he tries to rebuild his reputation and get another title shot, if it ever happens.

That's exactly what he should do, I wouldn't fault him for it either, he is a broken fighter at the moment.

Lennox Lewis did it after his defeat to McCall, there's a reason why it's a tried and tested formula for fighters.

 

[Chappy112]

That's dishonest though mate, because you've brought Ruiz up when a fair comparison is that Joshua has also fought Klitschko, you're better than that.

Wilder is over rated, most people totally get that now. Can't box, can't really punch on the retreat. He's beaten nobody of note. Ruiz is a better boxer than everyone wilder has beaten, and everyone Fury has beaten bar Klitschko. I'd put Ruiz slightly above Wilder. You can then add Pulev, Parker, and Povetkin as better than everyone else Fury has beaten bar Whyte...who Joshua also beat.

Fury	Joshua
Klitchko (C)	Klitchko (C)
Wilder (C)	Ruiz (C)
Whyte	Whyte
Wallin	Povetkin
Schwarz	Pulev
Chisora	Parker (C)
Seferi	Brezeale
Hammer	Martin (C)

Not sure you can ridicule Wilder and then big up Ruiz to be honest, his record his dreadful if that's all you're going off.

 

[BoroMart]

Not sure you can ridicule Wilder and then big up Ruiz to be honest, his record his dreadful if that's all you're going off.

I'm not bigging up Ruiz, he's a 5-10 boxer, I specifically said he's a better 'boxer', and I'll stand by that, the top 50 boxers are better boxers than Wilder, he's just got a big get out of jail punch. Wilder lost pretty much every round in 3 fights vs Fury and two vs Ortiz bar the rounds he put the other guy on the floor. He's a poor boxer. Beating Ortiz, Arreola and Joshua in 3 of his last 4 fights puts him in that 5th-10th range, same as Wilder.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Joshua’s **** spilling all over the pavement again. Fury is offering him a fight he doesn’t deserve and his team still won’t sign it! He’s had 10 days!

It took 9 days to get the contact

 

[Jedi boro]

I think many would argue that the Klitschko that fought Fury looked unmotivated and slow whereas the Klitschko that Joshua fought looked re-motivated and came to war.
Either way both beat the man that was in front of them in very different fights and thats all you can ask.

I don’t think many would as he was unbeaten when he fought fury he had a record to uphold.

Not just any reign either

This ended Klitschko's reign of nearly 10 years, the second longest in heavyweight history

 

[Chappy112]

I'm not bigging up Ruiz, he's a 5-10 boxer, I specifically said he's a better 'boxer', and I'll stand by that, the top 50 boxers are better boxers than Wilder, he's just got a big get out of jail punch. Wilder lost pretty much every round in 3 fights vs Fury and two vs Ortiz bar the rounds he put the other guy on the floor. He's a poor boxer. Beating Ortiz, Arreola and Joshua in 3 of his last 4 fights puts him in that 5th-10th range, same as Wilder.

Ruiz isn't a better boxer than the Ortiz that Wilder fought, not even close. 43 year old Ortiz just outboxed Ruiz for most of the fight but his punch resistance has gone.

Wilder isn't given enough credit on here for how good he was, I say was because I have no idea what's left of him after that Fury trilogy, he took far more damage than he really should have in that last fight. Whenever Fury fights it makes Wilder look even better and whenever someone Wilder has fought fights one of these so called good fighters it also makes Wilder look even better. Wilder flattened Ortiz twice, Ruiz just had hell with a 3 year older version of him, Ruiz who also looked dreadful against an old and washed Arreola who again Wilder dominated 6 years ago.

I'm not claiming that Wilder's record is anything great but he is much, much better than he is given credit for on here.

 

[B_G]

I don’t think many would as he was unbeaten when he fought fury he had a record to uphold.

Not just any reign either

This ended Klitschko's reign of nearly 10 years, the second longest in heavyweight history

I'm well aware of his reign. He looked complacent and unprepared for Fury. It was one of the worst fights I've ever seen. Fury got it right, he leaned, he made it awkward, he tied up klitschko negating his jab and got a deserved victory. But that was by no means a peak Klitschko.

The Klitschko against Joshua was leaner, sharper and fought with aggression. The one thing I'd say is maybe his engine had started to decline as he gassed against AJ and let him off the hook in the 6th or 7th round, can't remember which, but there was a round where AJ was there for the taking and he didn't get it done.

Just watch the two fights after each other and decide which Klitschko looked better...

 

[Chappy112]

I'm well aware of his reign. He looked complacent and unprepared for Fury. It was one of the worst fights I've ever seen. Fury got it right, he leaned, he made it awkward, he tied up klitschko negating his jab and got a deserved victory. But that was by no means a peak Klitschko.

The Klitschko against Joshua was leaner, sharper and fought with aggression. The one thing I'd say is maybe his engine had started to decline as he gassed against AJ and let him off the hook in the 6th or 7th round, can't remember which, but there was a round where AJ was there for the taking and he didn't get it done.

Just watch the two fights after each other and decide which Klitschko looked better...

The Klitschko vs Fury/Joshua argument always makes me laugh on here, it reminds me of the Mayweather arguments from back in the day. Just throw more punches! There's a reason fighters look hesistant and throw less punches vs someone like Mayweather/Fury than they do against someone who is much easier to hit. This isn't a coincidence that repeats itself throughout boxing or that a fighter just miraculously looked miles better than he had done for 5 years against Joshua at 41 years old, it's because Joshua is very easy to hit.

Look at Dillian Whyte vs Fury/Joshua, he threw 460 punches vs Joshua in 7 rounds, against Fury he threw 171 in 6 rounds. Did he just not fancy that one as well? Why was he more aggressive against Joshua than Fury? He was leaner against Joshua too, same as Klitschko, maybe fighters just take AJ more seriously? Or maybe it's because they go for speed against AJ versus Fury who they probably want a bit more beef on themselves because he's a bigger bloke.

 

[BoroMart]

Ruiz isn't a better boxer than the Ortiz that Wilder fought, not even close. 43 year old Ortiz just outboxed Ruiz for most of the fight but his punch resistance has gone.

IF we're playing that game, Ortiz was 38 with a heart defect when he lost to Wilder, he gassed, if he was 33 he'd have beaten Wilder

 

[BoroMart]

Wilder isn't given enough credit on here for how good he was,

If he's so good he must have some great top 3 career defining wins. Lets see them...

 

[ForssAwakens]

I'm well aware of his reign. He looked complacent and unprepared for Fury. It was one of the worst fights I've ever seen. Fury got it right, he leaned, he made it awkward, he tied up klitschko negating his jab and got a deserved victory. But that was by no means a peak Klitschko.

The Klitschko against Joshua was leaner, sharper and fought with aggression. The one thing I'd say is maybe his engine had started to decline as he gassed against AJ and let him off the hook in the 6th or 7th round, can't remember which, but there was a round where AJ was there for the taking and he didn't get it done.

Just watch the two fights after each other and decide which Klitschko looked better...

Makes me laugh the lengths people go to protect aj by writing off the klitchsko off fury fought

Aj style made klitchsko look sharper and aggressive.

The truth is an ageing klitchsko vs fury was another year and half older when fought aj. Fury didn’t negate klitchsko cos it was an off day, it’s because he excuted perfectly

He’s proven since then he can come up with various plans and execute them when he’s on it

 

[Chappy112]

IF we're playing that game, Ortiz was 38 with a heart defect when he lost to Wilder, he gassed, if he was 33 he'd have beaten Wilder

He might well have, he's a good boxer but that wasn't what I was replying to. you said Ruiz is a better boxer than anyone Wilder has beaten which is demonstrably incorrect.

 

[Chappy112]

If he's so good he must have some great top 3 career defining wins. Lets see them...

He doesn't have any but that doesn't make him any different of a fighter. Record and ability are 2 different things.

A lot of time people are blinded by record. Record is more about legacy.

 

[Uwefuchs]

We've been hearing the same pro Joshua, anti Fury arguments on here for years from the same people.

It was always about demonstrating why AJ was so much better than Fury, why he'd wipe the floor with him in the ring and why he'd deserve a much bigger purse split.

All those arguments are pretty flimsy now as Fury has proved to be a much better fighter in the ring. Slag off Fury for this fight not getting done if you want but the silly argument about Fury's record is just pathetic and what does it even prove anyway?

 

[Jedi boro]

Let’s be honest Ruiz (and his original opponent) were hand picked by Hearn as as a gimme to launch AJ to the lucrative US market.

An iconic venue in MSG as well.

And it backfired spectacularly as he lost to fighter most in the us didn’t rate to begin with.

Now his name is mud in the US and he’s lost that cash rich market hence his love of all things house of saud.

 

[Brian Marwood]

We've been hearing the same pro Joshua, anti Fury arguments on here for years from the same people.

It was always about demonstrating why AJ was so much better than Fury, why he'd wipe the floor with him in the ring and why he'd deserve a much bigger purse split.

All those arguments are pretty flimsy now as Fury has proved to be a much better fighter in the ring. Slag off Fury for this fight not getting done if you want but the silly argument about Fury's record is just pathetic and what does it even prove anyway?

Amen to that brother.

 

[BoroMart]

He might well have, he's a good boxer but that wasn't what I was replying to. you said Ruiz is a better boxer than anyone Wilder has beaten which is demonstrably incorrect.

Fair enough better than any boxer wilder has beat other than Ortiz, the point still stands, Wilder has beaten no one.

He doesn't have any but that doesn't make him any different of a fighter. Record and ability are 2 different things.

Sport is about levels, Norwich looked world beaters in the champ but were utterly outclassed in the prem, Dubois looked unbelievably good vs the tomato cans but looked a bum vs Joyce.

Wilder failed to test himself vs anyone even half decent until Ortiz, and he struggled badly, then he went up another notch and got beaten up by Fury

 

[B_G]

We've been hearing the same pro Joshua, anti Fury arguments on here for years from the same people.

It was always about demonstrating why AJ was so much better than Fury, why he'd wipe the floor with him in the ring and why he'd deserve a much bigger purse split.

All those arguments are pretty flimsy now as Fury has proved to be a much better fighter in the ring. Slag off Fury for this fight not getting done if you want but the silly argument about Fury's record is just pathetic and what does it even prove anyway?

It proves Fury doesn't take the big fights
Fury beats AJ 9 times out of 10 for me. Just get the fight made and prove it.
Usyk v Fury is a 50/50 fight in my opinion. Again, get the fight made and prove it.
Stop having long periods of time inactive, if you are the best heavyweight on the planet, get in the ring and prove it.

Fury's record shows that he doesn't make the big fights once he holds the belts. First time he won a belt, he went on a 3 year bender and vacated them.

Second time he won a title, he met his rematch obligation then fought Dillian Whyte because he was mandatory, but lets face it not World Title level. Then claimed he was retiring.

AJ's record shows he does take the big fights.

 

[Marvanelli]

It proves Fury doesn't take the big fights

Stopped reading after that utter nonsense.