Andy McDonald resigns from shadow cabinet

BoroFur said:
It's £30k a year full time CtC.
What do you give a supermarket manager when the till operator earns more than you?
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Blf said:
So someone working in a shop or flipping burgers should be getting £15 per hour.
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Very odd sentiment that some people have. You both seem like you want people to be hard up as some kind of punishment? What's so bad about super market or burger restaurant staff?
 
All very good , but totally unworkable , if min wage goes to that overnight , what on earth are the costs ?, all good for Andy M to say this ,but i get the feeling he is aligning ready with Rayner to take control ?
 
SuperStu said:
Very odd sentiment that some people have. You both seem like you want people to be hard up as some kind of punishment? What's so bad about super market or burger restaurant staff?
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Nothing at all which is why you took a small piece of my quote and not all of it. Do you really think a cleaner should get the same wages as a High dependency nurse or anyone who has to train hard getting poor wages when you train and running up debt to get a degree to qualify. Or do you think people who do this don't deserve to earn more money from their hard work than someone doing a job with little responsibility or qualifications.?
 
Over three times more people are on 'minimum wage' now than when it was first introduced. Employers have levelled down employees wages since 1999. Increasing 'minimum wage' to a real living wage will redress this affront to workers' dignity, and hopefully they will begin to be able to live off their wages rather than rely on the welfare state and foodbanks.
 
Blf said:
Nothing at all which is why you took a small piece of my quote and not all of it. Do you really think a cleaner should get the same wages as a High dependency nurse or anyone who has to train hard getting poor wages when you train and running up debt to get a degree to qualify. Or do you think people who do this don't deserve to earn more money from their hard work than someone doing a job with little responsibility or qualifications.?
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So your solution is both earn less? You don't see that as odd? You said yourself nurses pay would go up £100 a week. Surely that's a good thing. I find it weird to turn your nose up at that because you're so put off by other workers sharing a similar gain.
 
BoroFur said:
It's £30k a year full time CtC.
What do you give a supermarket manager when the till operator earns more than you?

I'm all for aspiration but to go from £8.91 to £15 is extreme.
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Then if you‘re the supermarket manager you ask for a wage rise and lo and behold you reverse the race to the bottom……simples!!
 
Blf said:
Nothing at all which is why you took a small piece of my quote and not all of it. Do you really think a cleaner should get the same wages as a High dependency nurse or anyone who has to train hard getting poor wages when you train and running up debt to get a degree to qualify. Or do you think people who do this don't deserve to earn more money from their hard work than someone doing a job with little responsibility or qualifications.?
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You just don’t get it do you, where has anybody in the Labour party or on here said a “NURSE” should only get £15 an hour?
 
£10/hour minimum wages in December 2019 is around £10.50/hour now. Which seems about right. It will always be compromise between what is ideal for the worker and what works i.e. does not create unemployment or close down some employers. £10.50 in inflation terms is much higher than the Blair/Brown minimum rate of £3.50/hour in 1997 which would be around £6.75 now. The current UK Living wage is £8.91/hour.

The USA has a national federal min rate of $7.25 (£5.29) but some states have higher minimum rates. New York has the highest min rate of $15/hour (£10.95). I think it is far to compare the USA with the UK.
 
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Laughing said:
One thing is for sure with uc the tax payer is essentially subsidising corporate profits which can't be right.
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Do you remember the days of Family Credit? - I worked with semi skilled people on an electronics production line getting £2/hour in 1993 (before tax). If they had several kids and their partner did not work they ended up with more in Family credit as wages. FC was paid by the government. I felt employers who paid little were getting big subsidies. It was not good for the worker who felt undervalued by his/her employer.

Ref Corporate sector - Employers come in all shapes and sizes. Many like care homes are only just making a profit for the owner/s to live on. To me its about balance.
 
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FatCat said:
Are you suggesting he should lie to get into power?
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Tories lie constantly especially our PM. He lied before Brexit, he lied when we was in various roles and in fact was sacked on a couple of occasions for lying. He lied during the 2019 GE campaign and has repeatedly lied since too.

It seemed to work well for Tories and in particular Johnson.
 
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