Alex Gilbert
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The stats speak for themselves…the kids got a bright future.
The Card Cheat
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I wouldn't sign him permanently, but I've said before, if Greenwood had come through our academy and was playing his first full season for us, we'd have an entirely different perspective on him. We'd have raved about him until December, then sympathised with him since then.
People's need a scapegoat, he's been our main one this year.
r00fie1
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Here's Carrick's opinion on Alex Gilbert, quoted on the opening page of today's Match-Day thread, from his most recent Media Conference:
Alex Gilbert. What's his future?
Trying to carve out the career in a game is not easy you know....sometimes you can get thrust in an opportunity ....and the door opens and you kind of stay in the team, or you have a real trajectory... you create goals in one direction [whilst] other times it can be a bit more challenging. It's not meant to be easy to play at this level and Alex you know he's wanted to play more football he's been desperate to play more football, more minutes on the pitch, he's had to be patient he's had to train well he's had to learn a lot as well. Credit to him for that the way he's gone about it, and he's had a good impact for us recently so....he's looking to finish the season on a high, and you know he's definitely moving in the right direction in terms of improving all the time.
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Alex Gilbert. What's his future?
Trying to carve out the career in a game is not easy you know....sometimes you can get thrust in an opportunity ....and the door opens and you kind of stay in the team, or you have a real trajectory... you create goals in one direction [whilst] other times it can be a bit more challenging. It's not meant to be easy to play at this level and Alex you know he's wanted to play more football he's been desperate to play more football, more minutes on the pitch, he's had to be patient he's had to train well he's had to learn a lot as well. Credit to him for that the way he's gone about it, and he's had a good impact for us recently so....he's looking to finish the season on a high, and you know he's definitely moving in the right direction in terms of improving all the time.
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johnsmithsno2
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Love itHere's Carrick's opinion on Alex Gilbert, quoted on the opening page of today's Match-Day thread, from his most recent Media Conference:
Alex Gilbert. What's his future?
Trying to carve out the career in a game is not easy you know....sometimes you can get thrust in an opportunity ....and the door opens and you kind of stay in the team, or you have a real trajectory... you create goals in one direction [whilst] other times it can be a bit more challenging. It's not meant to be easy to play at this level and Alex you know he's wanted to play more football he's been desperate to play more football, more minutes on the pitch, he's had to be patient he's had to train well he's had to learn a lot as well. Credit to him for that the way he's gone about it, and he's had a good impact for us recently so....he's looking to finish the season on a high, and you know he's definitely moving in the right direction in terms of improving all the time.
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* The unofficial "Hurrah for The Red Shirts". Boro v Cardiff City [04/24] Match Day thread *
It's that time again [for the last game away for the 23/24 season]>>>>> Saturday 27th April 2024. EFL Championship. Cardiff City v Middlesbrough. Stadiwm Dinas Caerdydd. KO: 15:00 hrs Michael Carrick looked the most animated on the touchline against Leeds, than he's been since he arrived at...
Yeah, I've said exactly the same. If his name was Cain Sykes or Joe Gibson and this was his breakthrough year I think you'd have a totally different set of reactions. I don't think being on loan from Leeds helps (and tbf he will be costing more than an academy product of similar age)
Diego
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This is nothing to do with scapegoating anyone. It’s more to do with he’s had a real bad spell of form since December really so it does feel like he was over used and on the evidence yesterday and his recent cameos Gilbert looks a real good player.
I just would have liked to seen a bit more of Gilbert and a bit less of Greenwood in the second half of the season.
He wasn’t performing well
Cardiffdaffs
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I wonder if he had come through our academy he would have shown more because he has played like a loan player. Somehow a bit detached, often a bit moody which reflected in his performances. I have no doubt he has talent but his application is concerning.
Cardiffdaffs
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There’s a thread from last year and won’t hoof it to spare those that made comments like “can’t be worse than Rogers” “Another Kieran Scott masterpiece” (sarcasm switch on), “loan to Hibs and never to be seen again” etc etc.
I guess because Greenwood is a loan there was more pressure to see how quickly he could develop before we have to make a decision on him. Gilbert being on a long term contract meant we could afford to give him more time to develop. Plus at the presser the other day Carricks comments about him alluded to there being gaps in his skillset that he had worked hard on over the season to improve. Maybe off the ball stuff? I'm sure there was a very good reason why he wasn't getting near the team anyway.
Carrick likes his forwards to press from the front and Gilbert isn't that sort of player. Give him time and space on the ball (like yesterday) and he can pick a pass or the top corner as he is technically very good. Bit more of a challenge when there is something to play for and the opposition is in your face.
The Card Cheat
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I fully agree with you regarding
Gilbert and Greenwoods form since December, but though you personally might not have scapegoated him, plenty of other people have. There's been a malicious streak in the criticism of him which has been way over the top for a young lad pla ying his first proper season.
Without wanting to derail the thread again there is a borderline hatred of Greenwood from some which I just don't get (as I said above coming on loan from Leeds "if he isn't good enough for them!" doesn't help) - regular comments about his appearance, attiude, lack of interest etc. Goes beyond form/performances which even Greenwood I'm sure would be disappointed with. If there is any negative body language from him I read it as frustration that he hasn't had a great time since xmas (and has actually been quite unlucky in some cases - hitting the woordwork / close offsides etc.) rather than lack of effort. Carrick has spoke well of him recently and I don't think would stand for it if he wasn't putting the work in.
theredrooster
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Ok, my very crude (in more ways than one), sat on the toilet with my phone calculator maths shows.
150mins of football is around 1.6 games. So extrapolated over a season next year we can expect 26 and a quarter goals (clearly one goal will be a debatable did it cross the line type of affair so he gets a quarter stat for it).
Whilst assist wise he'll be racking up 78 and three quarter assists (again probably a dubious assist where Gilbert strikes the ball through for Latte Lath to score whilst the ball was touching Clarkey's @rse, so Gilbert gets there quarters of the credit).
Ladies and Gentlemen, get the multi million fee branded on his head in preparation.
Disclaimer: I can barely budget on the weekly shop so some of the above may have a slight/huge margin of error.
Zoophonic
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But Carrick has dropped him now which could be a sign that he is getting frustrated with him. Or he may just have run out of steam I don't know. Whatever I doubt we will retain his services,.
theredrooster
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I still think whether we sign Greenwood hinges on two factors, if Leeds go up or not and his basic wage. Also how is he in training in terms of listening and improving, do the coaching team think there is improvement in there with him?
Scott and Carrick will expect inconsistent performances from a young player in his first full season and for all his poor play in the second half of the season he has shown ability in flashes and you cannot knock the guys work rate (a bit headless chicken at times but that could potentially be tweaked with more positional play/team pattern coaching).
I'm honestly not bothered either way and will trust Carrick and the club to make the correct call.
I think everyone recognises he is out of form now. You may well be right.
Druss_The_Legend
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