Aaron Connolly message

BoroMart said:
Sure,

Physical 6.5 but should get himself some on-on-one speed training, lots of players pay for specialist 1-to-1 trainers:
Body strength - he's short, but moderately well built, still got a bit more upper body strength to come
Balance & Coordination - he's fine in this area, he takes a lot of punishment and wins free kicks because players have to give him a hefty shove to knock him over
Speed - OK would have expected him to be quicker running in behind, he isn't slow, what he does do well is run as fast with the ball as without it, again helps him draw fouls
Acceleration - he's a little slower off the mark than he should be. Needs to work on this, could be confidence caught on his heels, could be his nature
Stamina - one of the best at the club for stamina. Has no problem working for 90 mins 3 times a week

Technical 6.5:
- Has a decent first touch, you only see him mis-control when he's getting shoved from behind.
- Dribbling, he can and does dribble out of tight spots well, his dribbling is better than average but maybe a little 'safe' sometimes rather than dribbling at the last man
- shooting, can generate power from a short backlift, but he's snatching at shots and pulling them. Not sure if that is confidence or an embedded technique issue
- he has shown in the past that he has the technique to do the difficult stuff, overhead kicks finishing with a backheel, volleys etc.

Tactical 5.5:
- Not always doing it in the right place for us. Doesn't run in behind enough, might be frustration that we aren't playing through balls
- doesn't run across the front post enough
- Hasn't shown a natural movement in the box enough to find the space
- drops deep too often, might be due to not getting any quality ball though when he stays up top

Social 5.5:
- Seems fairly popular with the other players
- maybe lets his personal life interfere with his mindset a little

With a little work, good coaching, and better creativity in the side, there are the foundations of a decent player, not a prem player, not a top class one, but enough to work with at this level.
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Thanks Boromart. You've put some effort into that response. Appreciate it. Thanks
 
Glover_elbow said:
Is the social score based on his insta feed
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Social is always the quarter where the public have the least ability to judge. Yeah we have insta, newspaper stories and then general body language around other players. It might be higher or lower, who knows on that we're all just guessing, but it's a 4 quadrant analysis model so I wasn't going to complete skip it. He certainly doesn't seem anywhere near Paul Gascoigne or Alan Boksic when it comes to the social score.
 
BoroMart said:
Sure,

Physical 6.5 but should get himself some on-on-one speed training, lots of players pay for specialist 1-to-1 trainers:
Body strength - he's short, but moderately well built, still got a bit more upper body strength to come
Balance & Coordination - he's fine in this area, he takes a lot of punishment and wins free kicks because players have to give him a hefty shove to knock him over
Speed - OK would have expected him to be quicker running in behind, he isn't slow, what he does do well is run as fast with the ball as without it, again helps him draw fouls
Acceleration - he's a little slower off the mark than he should be. Needs to work on this, could be confidence caught on his heels, could be his nature
Stamina - one of the best at the club for stamina. Has no problem working for 90 mins 3 times a week

Technical 6.5:
- Has a decent first touch, you only see him mis-control when he's getting shoved from behind.
- Dribbling, he can and does dribble out of tight spots well, his dribbling is better than average but maybe a little 'safe' sometimes rather than dribbling at the last man
- shooting, can generate power from a short backlift, but he's snatching at shots and pulling them. Not sure if that is confidence or an embedded technique issue
- he has shown in the past that he has the technique to do the difficult stuff, overhead kicks finishing with a backheel, volleys etc.

Tactical 5.5:
- Not always doing it in the right place for us. Doesn't run in behind enough, might be frustration that we aren't playing through balls
- doesn't run across the front post enough
- Hasn't shown a natural movement in the box enough to find the space
- drops deep too often, might be due to not getting any quality ball though when he stays up top

Social 5.5:
- Seems fairly popular with the other players
- maybe lets his personal life interfere with his mindset a little

With a little work, good coaching, and better creativity in the side, there are the foundations of a decent player, not a prem player, not a top class one, but enough to work with at this level.
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I think this is a really good analysis. I agree with the physical and technical grading. I think he has the attributes of around a league 1 or lower championship player in those areas.
Where I think he has a real problem is tactical; especially his reading of the game. When you see him in a game he is always in not quite the right position. His runs and positioning are just off. I think this is massively disabling because without being able to read a game he is running on guesswork. He's played 45 times in the Premier league, 16 times in the Championship totalling over 3,000 minutes plus various cup matches; if he can't read a game now he'll never be able to.
 
r00fie1 said:
I havent the foggiest clue what you are talking about?
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Really?
Read it again Roofie.

Your OP simply passed on a message from Connolly. A number of posters have jumped on his message and used it to criticise him.
I simply posted that I thought that criticism was totally inappropriate and that his message had been simple and good.

I don't rate him at all as a player and think he is very poor, but his message was positive and did not deserve the criticism he was getting on the thread.

I presume you get it now?
 
Bruce said:
Where I think he has a real problem is tactical; especially his reading of the game. When you see him in a game he is always in not quite the right position.
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agreed, it might be because of a lack of awareness or just that he is slow adjusting to our team play.
Bruce said:
I think he has the attributes of around a league 1 or lower championship player in those areas.
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At 22 he does have a platform to be a decent championship player, if he's hungry enough for it.

Bruce said:
He's played 45 times in the Premier league, 16 times in the Championship totalling over 3,000 minutes plus various cup matches; if he can't read a game now he'll never be able to.
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I think if that was 3,000 consecutive minutes, I might agree. I give him more leeway because he broke into the team at Brighton very young. He made his first team debut at 18, his game time has been spread thinly over 5 seasons, never really getting a run in the side. 37 career starts (and 30 sub appearances) is less than a full seasons worth of game time and with 15 career goals. In minutes its about a goal every 280 mins. So I think there is plenty of opportunity to improve, in fact I'd expect him to make fairly good strides forward in the next 2 years as he gets more game time to improve his movement and decision making
 
SuperStu said:
:unsure: Not sure I agree there. Has AC done anything comparable with the goals Jones set up vs Blackpool or Derby?
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High press, is about far more than a tackle, Jones has had great moments, but the ball often gets played around him when he attempts the high press. It's largely about reading which defender doesn't want the ball, forcing defenders with the ball to play predictable and low % balls forward, tackles leading to goals are great, but not the norm. But Connolly has tackled high up the pitch, I can think of twice in the box he did that, but we haven't converted.
 
indeedido said:
Really?
Read it again Roofie.

Your OP simply passed on a message from Connolly. A number of posters have jumped on his message and used it to criticise him.
I simply posted that I thought that criticism was totally inappropriate and that his message had been simple and good.

I don't rate him at all as a player and think he is very poor, but his message was positive and did not deserve the criticism he was getting on the thread.

I presume you get it now?
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?
 
indeedido said:
God loves a trier Mart.
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If Connolly put this much effort into training he'd be a better player by now.

BoroMart said:
agreed, it might be because of a lack of awareness or just that he is slow adjusting to our team play.

At 22 he does have a platform to be a decent championship player, if he's hungry enough for it.


I think if that was 3,000 consecutive minutes, I might agree. I give him more leeway because he broke into the team at Brighton very young. He made his first team debut at 18, his game time has been spread thinly over 5 seasons, never really getting a run in the side. 37 career starts (and 30 sub appearances) is less than a full seasons worth of game time and with 15 career goals. In minutes its about a goal every 280 mins. So I think there is plenty of opportunity to improve, in fact I'd expect him to make fairly good strides forward in the next 2 years as he gets more game time to improve his movement and decision making
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I think he is incredibly lucky that he had such a good debut. Most players when given a chance don't take it straight away, it takes a while to prove themselves. Doing the business on day 1 massively raises expectations. It puts players on people's radars almost indefinitely. Fans (and maybe managers) think they can do something to get that back as if that is their true level. It doesn't tend to happen though. It just turns out they peaked in their first game, that was the performance that was out of the ordinary and it masks their true level. I can think of a few players that had similar starts and then disappeared to nothing (Macheda, Cadamarteri, Vaughn, Sears) then there's players like Ravel Morrison who has had 100 managers trying to recapture his true potential based on nothing but a quote from Alex Ferguson.
 
Nano said:
If Connolly put this much effort into training he'd be a better player by now.


I think he is incredibly lucky that he had such a good debut. ... It doesn't tend to happen though. It just turns out they peaked in their first game, that was the performance that was out of the ordinary and it masks their true level. I can think of a few players that had similar starts and then disappeared to nothing (Macheda, Cadamarteri, Vaughn, Sears) then there's players like Ravel Morrison who has had 100 managers trying to recapture his true potential based on nothing but a quote from Alex Ferguson.
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I think this is the thing about Connolly. The absolute peak performance of his career was his very first game. It feels mean to keep going on about it because it's not as if he isn't working hard and trying to make a success of his matches. People keep looking at his debut and assuming that's his level but it really looks like that was his 1 golden game.

He's the same age as Connor Malley who has been let go because he's not going to make it at this level. The same thing will happen with Connolly at Brighton; they'll hope to sell him or failing that loan him out again to a Championship club with the hope that he'll do well enough to find a buyer. If Sunderland or Sheff Wed are promoted you can imagine them loaning him in if they don't have to pay much of his wage.

The irony is that if he had done poorly on his debut he would probably have been loaned out to another league one club later that season. If he had stayed fit it might well have been the making of him. By being brilliant in game one he virtually doomed himself to two years struggling to get games in the Premier league and going backwards as a player. As it is he is following the Patrick Roberts route.
 
Bruce said:
I think this is the thing about Connolly. The absolute peak performance of his career was his very first game. It feels mean to keep going on about it because it's not as if he isn't working hard and trying to make a success of his matches. People keep looking at his debut and assuming that's his level but it really looks like that was his 1 golden game.

He's the same age as Connor Malley who has been let go because he's not going to make it at this level. The same thing will happen with Connolly at Brighton; they'll hope to sell him or failing that loan him out again to a Championship club with the hope that he'll do well enough to find a buyer. If Sunderland or Sheff Wed are promoted you can imagine them loaning him in if they don't have to pay much of his wage.

The irony is that if he had done poorly on his debut he would probably have been loaned out to another league one club later that season. If he had stayed fit it might well have been the making of him. By being brilliant in game one he virtually doomed himself to two years struggling to get games in the Premier league and going backwards as a player. As it is he is following the Patrick Roberts route.
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Only difference is Patrick Roberts will probably have stuck around championship clubs longer than Connolly will
 
BoroMart said:
Sure,

Physical 6.5 but should get himself some on-on-one speed training, lots of players pay for specialist 1-to-1 trainers:
Body strength - he's short, but moderately well built, still got a bit more upper body strength to come
Balance & Coordination - he's fine in this area, he takes a lot of punishment and wins free kicks because players have to give him a hefty shove to knock him over
Speed - OK would have expected him to be quicker running in behind, he isn't slow, what he does do well is run as fast with the ball as without it, again helps him draw fouls
Acceleration - he's a little slower off the mark than he should be. Needs to work on this, could be confidence caught on his heels, could be his nature
Stamina - one of the best at the club for stamina. Has no problem working for 90 mins 3 times a week

Technical 6.5:
- Has a decent first touch, you only see him mis-control when he's getting shoved from behind.
- Dribbling, he can and does dribble out of tight spots well, his dribbling is better than average but maybe a little 'safe' sometimes rather than dribbling at the last man
- shooting, can generate power from a short backlift, but he's snatching at shots and pulling them. Not sure if that is confidence or an embedded technique issue
- he has shown in the past that he has the technique to do the difficult stuff, overhead kicks finishing with a backheel, volleys etc.

Tactical 5.5:
- Not always doing it in the right place for us. Doesn't run in behind enough, might be frustration that we aren't playing through balls
- doesn't run across the front post enough
- Hasn't shown a natural movement in the box enough to find the space
- drops deep too often, might be due to not getting any quality ball though when he stays up top

Social 5.5:
- Seems fairly popular with the other players
- maybe lets his personal life interfere with his mindset a little

With a little work, good coaching, and better creativity in the side, there are the foundations of a decent player, not a prem player, not a top class one, but enough to work with at this level.
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He is below average for everything so you can knock them all down by 1 at least. You seem to be confusing confidence with lack of ability. If you watch him for 90 he barely looks interested, seems to make runs to purposedly avoid the ball, of course he isn't but it's frustrating. He can't beat a man, he can out fight a man, he can't create, he can't run into channel, I'm not sure what his attributes actually are.
 
Bruce said:
He's the same age as Connor Malley who has been let go because he's not going to make it at this level. The same thing will happen with Connolly at Brighton
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Almost, I agree, although Connolly's level will end up way way above Malley who will be lucky to get any sort of league career.

Connolly has an excellent U23 pedigree, has played international football already, and has had most of his limited game time at prem level. That's probably always going to be above his ability level, but championship is a big step down and I believe he will adjust to being a decent enough player at this level. It's very different to Malley, who has never had any sort of serious success at youth or full level.
 
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