A Week Today Boris will Outline Lockdown Exit Strategy

So he's apparently said the plan to end lockdown will be "irreversible".

FFS, lab rats learn quicker than he does. Stop making promises you can't guarantee you'll be able to keep you narcissistic waste of space.

Of course he probably knows that, but like many of his colleagues thinks enough of the general public are thick enough to fall for it. Again.
 
Whatever happens it's sure to demonise the hospitality sector further without a shred of empirical evidence to back it up
It isn't demonising, the hospitality sector is about bringing people together, that increase the possibility of infection. It's really that simple.
 
Hospitality now has a reputation unfairly pinned on it as a mega dangerous super spreading environment when it's been shown it never was.
What empirical evidence do you have that hospitality does not increase infection risk?
 
So he's apparently said the plan to end lockdown will be "irreversible".

FFS, lab rats learn quicker than he does. Stop making promises you can't guarantee you'll be able to keep you narcissistic waste of space.

Of course he probably knows that, but like many of his colleagues thinks enough of the general public are thick enough to fall for it. Again.

Don't need to reverse if you can just U-turn instead.
 
What empirical evidence do you have that hospitality does not increase infection risk?
I don't. Other than the fact it was shut first and when it was open had restrictions that no other sector had and cases still rose rapidly even when closed.

Magic eh?

😀
 
Go on Muttley show me the evidence that hospitality was the driver of the pandemic.
Hospitality now has a reputation unfairly pinned on it as a mega dangerous super spreading environment when it's been shown it never was.
I never said it was, you said it had been "unfairly pinned" as such. I asked you who had described it as such, read it again perhaps?
Why shouldn't there be a regulation on the capacity of supermarkets enforced by police/army?
Because we need to eat stuff, buy bin bags, etc. Capacity in smaller stores has been limited without the need to have it monitored by the military! Aldi have a simple traffic light system which people obey in my experience.
Have I tried to buy a van? No, that's a strange question.
Kind of a requirement for delivering stuff, which you would need to do with everyone locked up at home. It might seem odd but you go about people feeling locked up and the mental health problems associated with this, can you imagine if you removed even this limited freedom?
 
I never said it was, you said it had been "unfairly pinned" as such. I asked you who had described it as such, read it again perhaps?

Because we need to eat stuff, buy bin bags, etc. Capacity in smaller stores has been limited without the need to have it monitored by the military! Aldi have a simple traffic light system which people obey in my experience.

Kind of a requirement for delivering stuff, which you would need to do with everyone locked up at home. It might seem odd but you go about people feeling locked up and the mental health problems associated with this, can you imagine if you removed even this limited freedom?
China seemed to manage with shutting everything and having everything delivered. Imagine if this country welded people's doors shut in March. 👍🏻

The picking and choosing of what was open and what wasn't at the start of this is why we are where we are now.

The military in this country can deliver food and medicines to far reaching places of the earth with only a few days notice. There is absolutely no reason at all why they couldn't help with the distribution of food and medicines in this country. Would cost a lot of money yes, but finding money hasn't been an issue for the past 12 months has it?

Hospitality reputation? Oh only all the media outlets, folks with euro flags and blue hearts next to their usernames on twitter, hell even some folk on here.
 
It's exactly as Muttley said, we have missed opportunity after opportunity to get a hold of the pandemic and now, with the vaccine rollout we have a chance to really get on top of it. We can't miss this opportunity by leaving infection levels high enough that they can flare up again and we go back to square one.
 
China seemed to manage with shutting everything and having everything delivered.
A totalitarian state.

The military in this country can deliver food and medicines to far reaching places of the earth with only a few days notice.
FFS. Really?

You think the army could feed sixty odd million people for a month at a few days notice? Delivering tents, rations and drinking water to a disaster zone is a little different.
The picking and choosing of what was open and what wasn't at the start of this is why we are where we are now.
It is really simple. You have to reduce the number of close proximity interactions between people. As you say you can lock people up in their homes for four weeks and then go round and empty the homes with corpses in them or you can choose which places to leave open. Here is where mathematics and modelling becomes important. First off stop large gatherings, sporting events, gigs, festivals, etc. That's an easy and obvious choice, after that it becomes more complicated. Close pubs or close schools? Close clothes shops or DIY stores? Close Supermarkets or close gymnasia? Every closure reduces the number of interactions and therefore the spread but each closure has an economic consequence.

This government has got it wrong in terms of timing. Allowing Cheltenham National Hunt Festival and Liverpool v Athletico Madrid when we knew what was happening in Italy and Spain now I haven't seen the modelling that underpins the decision making as to what was open and what was closed but I do believe that the decisions have been mostly correct but that every decision has been late. So we had the Tier System which was plainly economically driven as London remained in T2 with infection rates similar to ourselves in T3 and as we know we then had to lockdown again. We are always a week or two late putting on restrictions and a week or two early lifting them.

Let's hope they get it right this time because otherwise in about two months time we will be doing it again.
Oh only all the media outlets, folks with euro flags and blue hearts next to their usernames on twitter, hell even some folk on here.
I suggest you just let it go. You will always see sensationalism in the media. On Twitter you tend to find yourself in a confirmation bubble where everything you read seems to follow a certain narrative. As for on here, try using the ignore button, this is not a troll free zone (though much better than the old board)
 
Go on Muttley show me the evidence that hospitality was the driver of the pandemic.

Have I tried to buy a van? No, that's a strange question.

Why shouldn't there be a regulation on the capacity of supermarkets enforced by police/army? The supermarkets themselves aren't doing it because they've got a golden opportunity at the moment to maximise profits.

I was outside Tesco in Bilingham waiting for my wife at the weekend and they have a traffic light system to regulate capacity.

I know you keep repeating that hospitality isn't where the virus spreads but we've had hospitality closures outside of lockdown for that very reason.

Not all hospitality venues take the same precautions, unfortunately. Some moaned openly about not being able to afford it but what is the cost of screening and spacing tables, cleaning more regularly and wearing masks away from the table?
 
And already alarm bells are ringing for me when I hear Johnson describing the plan to come out of lockdown as "cautious but irreversible".

"Irreversible"?

I mean FFS has nothing been learned? We've got the NHS still far too busy and this clown is saying stuff like that making rash promises to keep a few backbenchers quiet. Spineless, clueless spnktrumpet.
 
I was outside Tesco in Bilingham waiting for my wife at the weekend and they have a traffic light system to regulate capacity.

I know you keep repeating that hospitality isn't where the virus spreads but we've had hospitality closures outside of lockdown for that very reason.

Not all hospitality venues take the same precautions, unfortunately. Some moaned openly about not being able to afford it but what is the cost of screening and spacing tables, cleaning more regularly and wearing masks away from the table?

Seems not all supermarkets are taking notice.
 
We have probably vaccinated 80% of the potential deaths away (which should have good protection by the 8th), all that's left now is to stop the 50-70's ending up in the hospital and jamming it up, then we're just about in the relative clear it appears. Even if we opened everything (including pubs and restaurants) on the 8th (with tiers), it would still mean deaths reducing until April, even if there were no vaccines.

We're not far away now, I think all they're doing now is stopping more lockdown headlines and stopping 50-70's hospital admission headlines and also protecting their voter core.
 
Lockdowns have obviously reduced infection and therefore death but it’s had some pretty dire consequences for individuals as well.
I’ve got a severely autistic niece and every time a lockdown has happened all her support other than family has been withdrawn. Routine is a must for her and she simply doesn’t understand what is going on . Everything she took for granted has been taken away and no amount of explaining makes any difference. There are literally tens of thousands like her and it has a massive effect not just on her but those who care for her.
Mental illnesses, depression and loneliness will all shorten life as will bankruptcy and unemployment. There two sides to every coin and there must come a point soon where we have to tolerate an element of risk before the preventative cure becomes worse than the disease.
 
Mental illnesses, depression and loneliness will all shorten life as will bankruptcy and unemployment. There two sides to every coin and there must come a point soon where we have to tolerate an element of risk before the preventative cure becomes worse than the disease.
You are absolutely right. And this has to be part of the calculation. I just hope they get it right and that I had the confidence that they will.

Otherwise all that happens is we enter further tiers or local lockdowns. If they get it right perhaps it will be irreversible but saying that makes people think right it's all over now... PARTAY!
 
You are absolutely right. And this has to be part of the calculation. I just hope they get it right and that I had the confidence that they will.

Otherwise all that happens is we enter further tiers or local lockdowns. If they get it right perhaps it will be irreversible but saying that makes people think right it's all over now... PARTAY!
I disagree with that, I think a lot of people are really struggling and looking for that light at the end of the tunnel.

Vast majority are still adhering to the guidelines but we need some sort of hope that this is coming to an end and you can tell the government are getting ready for that with the 'live with it like the flu' media stuff over the weekend.
 
It's irresponsible for Boris Johnson to state that anything is irreversible. We've not had any from of mass stress test of the vaccines real world effectiveness.

Due to lockdown fatigue I expect we will get another surge of positives once we start loosening the lockdown that will require restrictions to be put back in place until we past the lag in which we've seen the corresponding rise in deaths.

If the vaccine proves to prevent the later, then we can start fully reopening with confidence.
 
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