A tragic case or a deserved sentence?

Was a prison sentence justified in this case?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 56.6%

  • No

    Votes: 43 43.4%
  • Total voters
    99
The right decision, no underlying offence was committed - waving your arms around in public is not a criminal offence, the path was narrow and it wasnt clear (still isnt) that it was a shared cycle path. It should never even have gone to court let alone sending her to prison!
 
Whenever I've seen the video the thing that struck me was how much the handle of the bike turned as the poor lady went into the road.

My gut feel has always been that the rider was pushed and that it was more than arm waving. However that cannot be proved, a gut feel is insufficient, and more tellingly was not alleged by the prosecution.

Given that I think the appeal decision is correct.
 
Ironops said:
The right decision, no underlying offence was committed - waving your arms around in public is not a criminal offence, the path was narrow and it wasnt clear (still isnt) that it was a shared cycle path. It should never even have gone to court let alone sending her to prison!
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What about if she admitted making contact with the cyclist & there is an image of her hand on the cyclist's arm, just before her handlebars turn and she falls into the road?
 
Whilst inconclusive, this has always looked like a push to me - the woman on the pavement seems to shift her weight from one foot to another as if to get a little bit of leverage.

We'll never know though as that bit is just out of shot and there are no other witnesses. Only she know for sure if it was a push.

Vile individual regardless. A cyclist lies dying on the street and she goes to do her shopping. FFS
 
newusername said:
What about if she admitted making contact with the cyclist & there is an image of her hand on the cyclist's arm, just before her handlebars turn and she falls into the road?
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She admitted making the slightest of contact and the prosecution didnt allege a push. I'll take the word of the court of appeal over a keyboard warrior any day mate.
 
You can sort of understand how her attitude as much as anything led to her ending up in chokey. She came across as unrepentant despite being directly involved in (if not the cause of) the death of another person. Regardless of whether the lady was a riding on a footpath or not, show a little humanity.
 
Ironops said:
She admitted making the slightest of contact and the prosecution didnt allege a push. I'll take the word of the court of appeal over a keyboard warrior any day mate.
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The police interview shows her diminishing her actions to appear to be reasonable, and when played the audio she claims she can't hear it & then is lost for words when the Police tell her what she was saying:
www.bbc.co.uk

Killer shown footage of her shouting at cyclist

Video shows police questioning Auriol Grey, whose actions killed a woman cycling on a pavement.
www.bbc.co.uk

She admits making contact with the old lady, is she being truthful that it was unintentional & light, or again diminishing her role in events to appear reasonable?
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Huntingdon: Cyclist death accused was 'anxious' for her own safety, jury told

Auriol Grey is accused of gesturing in a "hostile" way to a cyclist who fell into the path of a car.
www.bbc.co.uk

When you watch the video, you can see her hand on the 70+ year old cyclist's arm as she's riding along. She then dramatically changes direction falling over, off the footway & in to the road. There's no reason for the cyclist to change direction & fall then, she's almost wholly passed the killer by that point. All the arm waving & shouting has been completed.

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Did she stay and try and help out afterwards, no she wandered off and completed her shopping. That is behaviour a sociopath would be proud of.
 
ForssAwakens said:
The judge said it was
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If the council don't know, then how was the defendant to know. The Judge has declared it is so the council will feel obliged to follow his ruling.
I have sympathy for the defendant, she has cerebral palsy and is visually impaired. This makes her prone to certain awkward body movements and also a non ability to get out of the way of an incoming cyclist quickly, add into that the visual impairment , she won't have a clear aspect of how far a blurred image is from her and of any incoming traffic in the road, she has reacted maybe how you would expect anyone with those conditions to react.
You can get angry and feel she needs to face some sort of justice for how she responded and lied but that is a further situation from what happened between her and the cyclist and should not be used to convict her of manslaughter.
 
Ironops said:
She admitted making the slightest of contact and the prosecution didnt allege a push. I'll take the word of the court of appeal over a keyboard warrior any day mate.
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He was asking a genuine question - no need to be a jerk.
 
newusername said:
The police interview shows her diminishing her actions to appear to be reasonable, and when played the audio she claims she can't hear it & then is lost for words when the Police tell her what she was saying:
www.bbc.co.uk

Killer shown footage of her shouting at cyclist

Video shows police questioning Auriol Grey, whose actions killed a woman cycling on a pavement.
www.bbc.co.uk

She admits making contact with the old lady, is she being truthful that it was unintentional & light, or again diminishing her role in events to appear reasonable?
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www.bbc.co.uk

Huntingdon: Cyclist death accused was 'anxious' for her own safety, jury told

Auriol Grey is accused of gesturing in a "hostile" way to a cyclist who fell into the path of a car.
www.bbc.co.uk

When you watch the video, you can see her hand on the 70+ year old cyclist's arm as she's riding along. She then dramatically changes direction falling over, off the footway & in to the road. There's no reason for the cyclist to change direction & fall then, she's almost wholly passed the killer by that point. All the arm waving & shouting has been completed.

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Did she stay and try and help out afterwards, no she wandered off and completed her shopping. That is behaviour a sociopath would be proud of.
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Interesting. Those 2 clips do not appear in the video at the beginning. Perhaps the BBC editing it. I thought I had seen some contact when it first happened.

Taking into account the problems the defendant has I don't think there was the mens rea (criminal intent) to commit a crime.
 
Macgurky said:
I bet the votes cast on this thread were almost all Yes by the cyclists and almost all No by the non cyclists.
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There is a theory, from the psychological world, that those who accuse people of bigotry are merely looking in a mirror.
 
There are two victims here. The lady who died and the driver who unintentionally killed the cyclist. How must they be thinking after running over cyclist they have to live with that for a very long time probably the rest of their lives.
 
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