8 days of mourning - is it for real?

[Nero]

It could be argued that the monarchy and church are both outdated ideas. Both have gained huge wealth and influence at the expense of many others for years.

 

[Jedi boro]

It could be reformed

How could it be done though??? There is no political or legal frame work that exists to even consider it.

as the monarchy is at the top of the political system nothing can be done without the monarchs assent.

it is simply impossible

As for the military remind me again who our colonel in chief is again??

it is impossible

 

[Smoggle]

How could it be done though??? There is no political or legal frame work that exists to even consider it.

as the monarchy is at the top of the political system nothing can be done without the monarchs assent.

it is simply impossible

I get what you’re saying, but how do other countries change systems? How do monarchies become republics, or dictatorships democracies, or vice versa?

The monarchy may hold the cards and the legal system is beholden to them, but if public opinion became so against them that their current position was untenable then the system would have to change. Maybe the creation of a new republican constitution, or a new relationship with a much watered down monarchy.

I get that through the current system there’s no way to just do it, but with enough pressure a new system would have to be introduced. Whether that happens is anyone’s guess, like I’ve mentioned earlier the crucial time is Charles’ reign, after him I think it would be stable for a long time.

 

[Flood]

Maybe the Monarchists and Brexiters need their own board..

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[Jedi boro]

I get what you’re saying, but how do other countries change systems?

Normally and historically through the barrel of a gun or the end of a blade or revolution.

of course there are the Scandinavian and Benelux versions that down scaled their presence to survive and are more peaceful.

but normally monarchs don’t go willingly.

 

[Smoggle]

Normally and historically through the barrel of a gun or the end of a blade or revolution.

of course there are the Scandinavian and Benelux versions that down scaled their presence to survive and are more peaceful.

but normally monarchs don’t go willingly.

Yes, I completely agree on all of that. My hunch is that the monarchy is here to stay for the foreseeable, probably my lifetime, but I believe that, when taking in its entire lenghty existence, the end is in sight.

 

[SmallTown]

Normally and historically through the barrel of a gun or the end of a blade or revolution.

of course there are the Scandinavian and Benelux versions that down scaled their presence to survive and are more peaceful.

but normally monarchs don’t go willingly.

And it's not likely to happen with ours. When queen Beatrix give up the Dutch monarchy she was criticised by Liz II for abdicating. Violence and bloodshed are the traditional way to remover regimes from countries, be they political, military, theistic or Regal.

 

[BoroMart]

Ah a paid member of the republic, so it’s a propaganda mission for you

Err, that doesn't even make sense. Another attempt to play the man not the ball I see

Do you believe in 100% inheritance tax then?

I believe that all tax laws should apply to all people equally, and for the good of the general population limits should exist on huge amounts of cash and property passing to children. I don't believe in 100% inheritance tax, no, I've already stated I'm a centrist and a pragmatist.

It’s funny isn’t it, if we turn republican, the royal family will still be rich, they’ll still influence politics and corruption will not change.

American is a shining light of what a republic nation can do

It needs other laws in place, but at least they won't make money from crown estates or the public purse. America isn't the only republic, it's one that has laws that are difficult to move forward with the times. How about New Zealand as a much better and honest example.

No argument there but it’s impossible to do so because it being the monarch is the system. So you could never reform it as there simply is no means to do so.

agreed, you can't reform it, only replace it. Which would be a huge advancement in this country. It would start to tear down the old tiered systems down. There would be some pain to go through, and it wouldn't be perfect but it could be a lot better than the nepotistic, cronyism filled, corrupt old school tie mess we have today

 

[BoroMart]

It could be argued that the monarchy and church are both outdated ideas. Both have gained huge wealth and influence at the expense of many others for years.

the slow but now unstoppable death of the Church of England will probably have an impact on the crown too. It will in the next 30 years be such a niche religion, that having a head of state as head of church could have negative impacts on the crown.

 

[BoroMart]

I get what you’re saying, but how do other countries change systems? How do monarchies become republics, or dictatorships democracies, or vice versa?

Well brexit has shown that the mobilisation of the people to make big change happen, for better or worse can happen in this country.

Remember what the people complained about inequality, giving a bloody nose to the elite, getting rid of unelected bureaucrats, taking our country back. All of these are much more achievable by displacing monarchy than by leaving the EU. So maybe, one day, the Nigel Farage of republicanism will step forward. It'll need to be a few generations from now, but who knows, it certainly isn't impossible.

 

[ForssAwakens]

I believe that all tax laws should apply to all people equally, and for the good of the general population limits should exist on huge amounts of cash and property passing to children. I don't believe in 100% inheritance tax, no, I've already stated I'm a centrist and a pragmatist.

So you don’t believe all children should be born equal then?

 

[BoroMart]

So you don’t believe all children should be born equal then?

I am pragmatic that it's impossible to make everyone born absolute equal, however and this is the important part we should curb the absolute excesses of it, such as hereditary access to power and a lifetime of free wealth. I also think it is unhealthy for a child to inherit 200million tax free from a trust fund. Trust Funds are tax avoidance made legal for the very wealthy and how can a child learn self sufficiency and become a healthy functioning adult if they don't have to earn to live?

All children should be born with the possibility to reach the position of head of state, all children should have access to university education.

Possibly the greatest truism uttered by Ewan on screen:



Didn't you vote brexit? On some ideology of giving the elite a bloody nose and removing unelected bureaucrats and having a fairer society for the working classes? Yet here we are, you arguing that royalty are born special, should be allowed to continue meddling in laws and that reducing the gap between the haves and have nots is a bad thing? Couldn't make it up.