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[BoroMart]

In English please

You've complained about grammer etc and you've just written that dogsh!t

Most people vote for their own self interest especially in a first past the post system. The winning party only need 30-45% of the votes

Typos and fat fogenera. Where have I complained about grammar…

Ok, you stay in your safe place and avoid the point at hand

 

[Scrote]

I'm not convinced this isn't a badly timed April Fool but it's hilarious nonetheless. I'm guessing Starmer will have to remove the Whip from himself until the formal apology appears:

Starmer Must Apologise - Jewish Chronicle

 

[BoroMart]

There must be a reason you personally attacked me Boromart

And given you mentioned you have moved away from here why do you want this region to remain poor and for things to stay the same and by that the south east receives the most funding and taxpayers money?

Where did I personally attack you?

I want the region to remain poor? What nonsense. Where have I ever said anything remotely like that?

 

[BoroMart]

You’re defending someone who is destroying the left

The left want the NHS protected, housing and rents sorting as well as public services funded

So what is it that you take issue with when I bring that up?

So you can’t highlight where I personally attacked you or where I’ve stated that I want the north east to remain poor. Instead you add another unsubstantiated claim that I want the left destroyed.

I want all of those things you’ve just posted, and the Tories are not going to do it, so I want them out at any costs. So I’m at a complete loss to why you think I don’t want those things. I can only suspect narcotics or mistaken identity are involved in your assumption that I don’t want those things.

Challenge for you show where I’ve directly stated any of your claims…

 

[BoroMart]

You complained about my writing when you can barely make a coherent sentence yourself

When did this happen? You seem to have understood everything I’ve posted onnhere

What does a right wing Labour Party benefit you personality over a left wing Labour Party that might prioritise Northern neglect

I’ll disagree that this is a right wing Labour Party, I suspect you don’t know what right wing is. I’d like more socialist policies but the public decided that it wasn’t what they wanted, i’m a pragmatist and will take some socialist policies over another 5 years of destructive conservatism and hope we can start to get more people on board for further socialist policies 5 years from now.

As for northern neglect, it’ll continue under the Tories, so it start by putting them.

Given you don’t live within 250 miles of here

What’s that got to do with anything? Most of my family and plenty of friends still live there, who are you to comment on the investment in the south east if you are from 250+ miles away?

 

[BoroMart]

Why has Starmer took it upon himself to absolutely crush any left wing views like funding the NHS and having public services and Northern investment

Corbyn would have levelled up BoroMart

Starmer is trying to make himself electable, the truth of Starmers politics will only be revealed once he’s in power.

He isn’t crushing ‘all’ left wing views, he’s simply removing some so that the Tories have nothing to work with when the red tops start their “can the last person left turn out the lights”, “you can’t trust Labour with the economy” rhetoric.

Get him in power, get the Tories out then pressure for more socialist policies.

 

[SuperStu]

the truth of Starmers politics will only be revealed once he’s in power.

Is this supposed to sound like a good thing? Its like something a Bond villain might plan out.

 

[BoroMart]

What is it you think will happen here under Starmer given it’s against your interest for levelling up

I'm not obsessed with my personal interests. I believe the country needs to be levelled up.

 

[BoroMart]

Is this supposed to sound like a good thing? Its like something a Bond villain might plan out.

No its a proofs in the pudding thing. He'll tax the wealthy more than today, maybe not as much as some would like but it's a start. He'll invest in public services, maybe not as much as some would like but it's in the right direction. The nuance of how much won't be known until gets to make those decisions for real.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Okay, so, how do I, we, my partner and I, how will we be better off under a Starmer government? This is not a criticism of him, it’s just a question.

Over the past two years, my monthly mortgage payment has increased by 25%. My energy bills have trebled. My weekly food shop has increased by around 25%. My travel to work has gone up by 10%.

My wages? Nothing. Not a sausage. Nowt. The square root of f*ck all. And this is the same for all my friends by the way, who live here in London who don’t do anywhere near as much as they used to because pints are now £8 instead of £6 and restaurants are £58 instead of £39. We have done what we are told to do. Move away, get a ‘good’ job, get a house, get a career, work, save, have a nice life. Well we did that and are are being f*cked for it. Just like everyone else has who isn’t in that elite group of looters, venture capitalists, politicians or shareholders.

This stuff matters. People are f*cked. The country is F*CKED. It is happening in plain sight. We are being robbed blind.

So what is Keir Starmer doing, proposing, that will alleviate some of these strains? What is his plan? How will he make our lives better? What’s his big idea?

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Starmer is trying to make himself electable, the truth of Starmers politics will only be revealed once he’s in power.

He isn’t crushing ‘all’ left wing views, he’s simply removing some so that the Tories have nothing to work with when the red tops start their “can the last person left turn out the lights”, “you can’t trust Labour with the economy” rhetoric.

Get him in power, get the Tories out then pressure for more socialist policies.

There is literally no evidence to support the idea that he will be more socialist once elected. In fact he has gone out of his way to show that us that he has no intention of doing anything even remotely socialist.

 

[BoroMart]

Over the past two years, my monthly mortgage payment has increased by 25%. My energy bills have trebled. My weekly food shop has increased by around 25%. My travel to work has gone up by 10%.....This stuff matters. People are f*cked. The country is F*CKED.

All under a Tory government with their ideologies. You can't pin that on Starmer, and I'm afraid regardless who is in power rolling back 13 years of destruction is going to take time. The detailed 'how' will be in a manifesto in the future, but the key areas they want to tackle are : The economy, NHS, crime, climate crisis and education. They seem reasonable things to put effort into improving, the devil will of course be in the detail, the alternative to what they offer is further Tory destruction.

 

[BoroMart]

There is literally no evidence to support the idea that he will be more socialist once elected.

of course there isn't because he hasn't been elected. He is a soft left candidate, he believes in capitalism, but not unrestrained capitalism, he believes in the NHS as it was, not an insurance based system, he believes in investment to grow. This is all easily searchable, the left need to stop the infighting and look for better not perfect or the Tories will get back in.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

of course there isn't because he hasn't been elected. He is a soft left candidate, he believes in capitalism, but not unrestrained capitalism, he believes in the NHS as it was, not an insurance based system, he believes in investment to grow. This is all easily searchable, the left need to stop the infighting and look for better not perfect or the Tories will get back in.

No, no, this is giving him a free pass IMO. He’s polling at 50% and he is still offering nowt. Nothing. Not. A. Thing. He has so much room to offer something but he chooses this, this nothingness, this weird talk of this family being scared of the smell of weed.

F*ck. Off. This is not enough. It is bullsh*t. This idea that he will be different once in office is just nonsense. Why would he spend 4 years purging large swathes of ‘his’ party only to then tailor his policies to their requirements once elected?

It doesn’t make sense.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

All under a Tory government with their ideologies. You can't pin that on Starmer, and I'm afraid regardless who is in power rolling back 13 years of destruction is going to take time. The detailed 'how' will be in a manifesto in the future, but the key areas they want to tackle are : The economy, NHS, crime, climate crisis and education. They seem reasonable things to put effort into improving, the devil will of course be in the detail, the alternative to what they offer is further Tory destruction.

I didn’t pin anything on him. I’m asking what is he going to do to alleviate the strain. Why should I vote for him, essentially. It is not enough to be slightly less awful than those currently in office. Everyone banging on about how f*cking clever and sensible and forensic he is, well, yeah, tell me what he’s going to do. What is his actual plan. Give us some actual hope here.

 

[BoroMart]

No, no, this is giving him a free pass IMO. He’s polling at 50% and he is still offering nowt. Nothing. Not. A. Thing. He has so much room to offer something but he chooses this, this nothingness, this weird talk of this family being scared of the smell of weed.

F*ck. Off. This is not enough. It is bullsh*t. This idea that he will be different once in office is just nonsense. Why would he spend 4 years purging large swathes of ‘his’ party only to then tailor his policies to their requirements once elected?

It doesn’t make sense.

He’s offering to improve five key areas.

 

[BoroMart]

I didn’t pin anything on him. I’m asking what is he going to do to alleviate the strain. Why should I vote for him, essentially. It is not enough to be slightly less awful than those currently in office. Everyone banging on about how f*cking clever and sensible and forensic he is, well, yeah, tell me what he’s going to do. What is his actual plan. Give us some actual hope here.

That’ll happen closer to election time, this is normal

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

That’ll happen closer to election time, this is normal

It is not normal though? Love him or hate him, Blair did not behave like this. He was banging on and on and on and on about nurses, sleaze, houses, university, corruption. It was every day he was out there. I will make your life better, I will make jobs, these guys are c*nts, they are corrupt, they are lying to you. Didn’t Blair increase nurses salaries by 14% or something.

There are no Labour leaders who’ve ever gone into an election offering so little. It is very much the opposite of normal IMO.

What’s this big thing that Starmer is going to reveal?

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I feel like, personally, you’re invested in this idea that never actually arrives. This idea that he’ll do it later on, when he wins. Well no. We need to hear it now. You either fund your NHS and look after Nana’s hips or you don’t. You either build new houses or you don’t. You either protect people against sh*t landlords or you don’t. I find it absolutely amazing that someone can be polling at 50% and nobody has any f*cking idea what he believes in. And somehow this is good, and that me, or people like me, are the problem and that asking the question is wrong. That we’re wrong. No. F*ck this rubbish. It is mental.

 

[Scrote]

I’d like more socialist policies but the public decided that it wasn’t what they wanted

I thought the public didn't want Corbyn?

When did the narrative change from it being the person to it being the policies and why was it five minutes after Starmer was elected on a promise to run with those policies?

Starmer is trying to make himself electable, the truth of Starmers politics will only be revealed once he’s in power.

How is this in any way sensible?

How can you vote for someone when the only thing you know about them is that they'll lie and back-stab to get what they want?

No its a proofs in the pudding thing. He'll tax the wealthy more than today, maybe not as much as some would like but it's a start. He'll invest in public services, maybe not as much as some would like but it's in the right direction. The nuance of how much won't be known until gets to make those decisions for real.

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