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BoroMart said:
He'll tax the wealthy more than today, maybe not as much as some would like but it's a start. He'll invest in public services, maybe not as much as some would like but it's in the right direction.
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I wouldn't count on it.

BoroMart said:
but the key areas they want to tackle are : The economy, NHS, crime, climate crisis and education.
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You make this sound like solutions and policies for these things are just universally good or bad and there aren't class interests at play. Streeting has said multiple times already that they'll "tackle" the NHS by using private contracts. Not my idea of a good policy. "Tackle" the economy? What will that be? Changing the name of non-dom status and refusing to increase corporation tax?
 
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Personally I’d rather. Starmer just come out with it and say he would take us back into the EU. It may cost him a few seats in the red wall country but overall I think he would gain a lot of credibility for that conviction. At the moment pussy footing around the subject isn’t going to best serve the country in my opinion.

I agree with this

bylinetimes.com

Labour has ‘More Seats to Gain by Rejecting Brexit than it would Lose in Red Wall’, New Poll Suggests – Byline Times

Keir Starmer could win an increased majority by turning against Brexit – but party officials are still rejecting any notion of rejoining the EU
bylinetimes.com bylinetimes.com
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
No, no, this is giving him a free pass IMO. He’s polling at 50% and he is still offering nowt. Nothing. Not. A. Thing. He has so much room to offer something but he chooses this, this nothingness, this weird talk of this family being scared of the smell of weed.

F*ck. Off. This is not enough. It is bullsh*t. This idea that he will be different once in office is just nonsense. Why would he spend 4 years purging large swathes of ‘his’ party only to then tailor his policies to their requirements once elected?

It doesn’t make sense.
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I think he is polling 50% based on what ‘moderate’ Labour has done when in government in the past, the likes of Wilson, Callaghan, Blair and Brown. In my opinion it’s about direction of travel for a lot of people and they know what sort of things they will get out of middle of the road Labour, it is not a Presidential set up in this country.
 
Scrote said:
I'm not convinced this isn't a badly timed April Fool but it's hilarious nonetheless. I'm guessing Starmer will have to remove the Whip from himself until the formal apology appears:

Starmer Must Apologise - Jewish Chronicle

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Ian Austin was one of only three Labour MP`s to defy the Party whip and vote for Terresa May`s Brexit deal. He has voted for austerity and cuts in public services. He refused to campaign in his constituency on Labour policies when Jeremy Corbyn was leader. He has a record of voting for war, including the pack-of-lies invasion of Iraq. He resigned from the Labour Party in 2019 along with the "Change" sect of MP`s and publicly backed Boris Johnson for PM. His politics are those of the far right of the Labour Party. His is the last opinion worth considering seriously. Mr Austin does well out of the British tax-payer, sitting in the House of Lords. His contempt for unions and ordinary people cant be erased or his support for Blair`s most extreme policies.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Starmer is an absolute S**thouse isn't he. Couldn't cite anti-Semitism in his plan to bar Corbyn, because he knew it wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny in court but since then, his big hitters - Lammy, Streeting and even Ed Miliband have all been briefed to mention AS as soon as they are questioned about the move.
When Miliband's father Ralph, who with his father fled from Belgium to escape the holocaust in 1940, was being attacked by the Daily Mail in 2013, Corbyn was probably the only MP to defend him but there was Ed on national TV linking the barring to anti-Semitism. The DM's header that day was The man who hated Britain. Quite ironic that the Mail was supporting Hitler at the time Ralph Miliband was fleeing Mainland Europe to save his life.
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Christ desperation. How far back and how tenuous do you need to be.
The Tories number one weapon Corbyn has gone.
Get over it!
 
SuperStu said:
Bit of a pitiful response from the SCG MPs to the Corbyn motion being passed and Starmer's leadership in general. Seems like keeping their jobs is more important to them than left wing politics.
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Its absolutely disgraceful the way the SCG have behaved. They should all have resigned the whip and come out in support of The Rt Honourable Jeremy Corbyn MP. The fact they didnt fits with them agreeing to withdraw their names from the "Stop The War" petition and refusal to publicly attack Starmer`s anti-union, anti-strikers and anti-picket-line politics. Reading some of their calls for a "strong letter of support" and "a petition to ....." defend this that and the other: they are like timid little creatures, hiding and hoping not to be targeted next. They will be picked off one-by-one. They have no balls and no back-bone.

First they came.......
 
Starmer is keeping fairly quite about his views - he does like a nice big Union Jack placed behind him and he has not supported any trade unions with pay claims. If I came from a different country I would have thought he was the leader of a right wing middle class party.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
He’s quite literally purging the left. Openly, in public, with the full support of the media. He says much. Again, what is happening here. Why should I listen to what he says and believe the opposite. It does not make sense.
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he’s purging a sub-division of the left, that doesn’t make him right wing, it makes him
Unable to reconcile with the corbynista, nothing more, nothing less. I’d prefer everyone to work together
 
BoroMart said:
he’s purging a sub-division of the left, that doesn’t make him right wing, it makes him
Unable to reconcile with the corbynista, nothing more, nothing less. I’d prefer everyone to work together
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That is just absolute nonsense.

He’s purging the left. Let’s just have it straight. He doesn’t need the left, want the left, or care about the left. Just say it. A sub-division of the left FFS.

In two or three years’ time, don’t come crying to us. To us who’ve always opposed this, stood up to to it, argued it, supported the most vulnerable. You’ve chosen your path. Let’s see what Keir delivers for you.
 
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BoroMart said:
he’s purging a sub-division of the left, that doesn’t make him right wing, it makes him
Unable to reconcile with the corbynista, nothing more, nothing less. I’d prefer everyone to work together
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Sure but he's also at different times since becoming leader spoken against raising the top rate of income tax, corporation tax, capital gains tax...? He's had the party abstain when the tories pass bills letting secret police infiltrate trade unions. He's supported criminalising environmental protestors. His shadow health minister wants to solve ambulance waiting times with privatisation, his shadow chancellor is against nationalising natural monopoly industries, his shadow home secretary goes on TV saying she'd deport asylum seekers quicker than the tories. He's got Duffield constantly being transphobic, and allowed the racist Trevor Phillips back in the party.

These are the things that make him right wing. How many free passes do you give him before you say okay fair enough the guy is actually quite right wing? Here's a challenge, convince us otherwise. I've mentioned 10 separate things there as evidence of Starmer being generally on the right. Has anyone got a list of 10 policies that prove he's actually on the left? 5? 1? I haven't.
 
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The people saying that Tory voters are to blame for the Tory party doing things they don't agree with but expecting Starmer to deliver anything like left leaning, progressive policies and be better than the Tories are either hypocrites or idiots. Tory voters that voted for Cameron and Labour costs that vote for Starmer are the same people.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
That is just absolute nonsense.

He’s purging the left. Let’s just have it straight. He doesn’t need the left, want the left, or care about the left. Just say it. A sub-division of the left FFS.

In two or three years’ time, don’t come crying to us. To us who’ve always opposed this, stood up to to it, argued it, supported the most vulnerable. You’ve chosen your path. Let’s see what Keir delivers for you.
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That isn’t having it straight or even reality
 
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