23rd - 27th Dec

Up to 3 households in your own home but not allowed to use that Xmas bubble in a covid secure pub or restaurant where the rules are enforced.

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The whole thing is a desperate act by Johnson trying to cling onto his Premiership by introducing a policy that makes little cogent sense and is liable to create a 3rd spike in the New Year when the conditions for viruses will be at their optimum, to introduce tighter Tier 3 restrictions and then ease them for a few days and the reintroduce tier 3 thereafter undermines the month of sacrifice that has gone before, either ease conditions and get things up and running properly or keep things locked down until the rate of infection has been reduced to the 'acceptable' level. Like the 10pm curfew this is an arbitrary directive that has no basis in the science that has supposedly being driving policy since March. People will not obey the guidelines and more and more people are becoming disillusioned with the way this situation has been mishandled.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
That's already planned for. Tier 3 up here until the vaccine I reckon, the definition of Tier 3 will change though, no doubt about that.
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Yeah its going to be Tier 3 for us for the foreseeable. Preston is already pushing for a relaxation of that. I do fear another 4 weeker like we are in now.
 
American_Mary said:
The whole thing is a desperate act by Johnson trying to cling onto his Premiership by introducing a policy that makes little cogent sense and is liable to create a 3rd spike in the New Year when the conditions for viruses will be at their optimum, to introduce tighter Tier 3 restrictions and then ease them for a few days and the reintroduce tier 3 thereafter undermines the month of sacrifice that has gone before, either ease conditions and get things up and running properly or keep things locked down until the rate of infection has been reduced to the 'acceptable' level. Like the 10pm curfew this is an arbitrary directive that has no basis in the science that has supposedly being driving policy since March. People will not obey the guidelines and more and more people are becoming disillusioned with the way this situation has been mishandled.
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I think this 4 week sacrifice was introduced to facilitate the 5 day p!ss up!
 
The 5 day Christmas thing is nothing but a crowd-pleaser IMO and I'm not sure I'm really in favour of it since there inevitably be a further lockdown. My view is that we should quell the virus as much as possible, get the infection rate, cases and deaths down to a much lower level, and then allow some normality to resume i.e. not living under lockdown

I'm happy to sacrifice this Christmas if it brings about some normality sooner without flip flopping in and out of lockdowns

I know this wont be a popular view necessarily, and I fully appreciate some people really do 'need' or want Christmas this year very badly so they can be with family, etc. I'm not against those that have this view, it's a prefectly valid standpoint, just not necesarily one I share. I would like to see what the rules are for us after the 2nd before I make any decisions on what I will do at Christmas this year, at the moment I'm undecided
 
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Called the family last night and told them we won't be coming. :(

No point. We'd have to form a bubble with my mum and sister, and the wife's mum and dad. So it means none of us would be able to see My brother and family, and she won't be able to see her sister and husband.

We couldn't do that just so we can go up as there are other family members living close by that would be then excluded from going round to parents house (brothers/sisters etc)

It's just a mess. We told the kids last night we won't be going this year and they were upset, but then said they understood and would make it a great Christmas here just the 4 of us, which I think was quite grown up of them considering they're only 9 and 13.
 
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Smog in Wilts said:
Oh no, anyone else with a split family, Over the years I agreed to let my kids see their mother for Christmas and I would see them at New Year. I hate the kids being pulled in different directions.
My parents have passed away and I was so looking forward to try to see someone at christmas. Another day under the covers in bed hoping it will all go away. :-(
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Smog, don’t take my word as gospel on this (and may depend on their age) but you may be ok to see your kids over the festive period as it could potentially fall within childcare guidelines?

Worth doing some more research at least.
 
Smog in Wilts said:
Oh no, anyone else with a split family, Over the years I agreed to let my kids see their mother for Christmas and I would see them at New Year. I hate the kids being pulled in different directions.
My parents have passed away and I was so looking forward to try to see someone at christmas. Another day under the covers in bed hoping it will all go away. :-(
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I dont quite understand your situation @Smog in Wilts but does this not allow you to see your kids - from the BC wesbite

Can all my children come home for Christmas?​

Children of parents who live apart are allowed to be part of two separate Christmas bubbles. This means they can see both parents without being counted as part of another household.
University students may return to their parents at the end of term and be counted as part of their household straight away.
But if parents have three or more grown up children who are not at university, then they cannot all form a Christmas bubble with their parents.
Individual households can split for Christmas. So, if three people are sharing a home they can all go and form separate Christmas bubbles with their families and come back to form a single household again afterwards.

www.bbc.co.uk

Christmas rules 2020: What are the new rules on mixing?

Plans for Christmas bubbles in the UK have been scaled back - so who can you see over the festive period?
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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London_Boro said:
Called the family last night and told them we won't be coming. :(

No point. We'd have to form a bubble with my mum and sister, and the wife's mum and dad. So it means none of us would be able to see My brother and family, and she won't be able to see her sister and husband.

We couldn't do that just so we can go up as there are other family members living there that would be then excluded fro going round to parents house (brothers/sisters etc)

It's just a mess. We told the kids last night we won't be going this year and they were upset, but then said they understood and would make it a great Christmas here just the 4 of us, which I think was quite grown up of them considering they're only 9 and 13.
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m in a similar situation - to avoid problems I will just stay in London, if I don’t it would probably lead to my mum having to choose between her kids, as the other two live up in Middlesbrough then I will just stay in London. Not worth the hassle.
 
DCI_Gene_Hunt said:
Some people will just do what they like over Xmas/New Year, they are now, we'll be in total lockdown again by February.
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Exactly... My idiot neighbour wanted my help with his tablet, so I stood at his kitchen door so I could join his WiFi and he said, just come in, it doesn't really matter.. So my reply was, it really does to me.. Cretin.
 
Wtf said:
Exactly... My idiot neighbour wanted my help with his tablet, so I stood at his kitchen door so I could join his WiFi and he said, just come in, it doesn't really matter.. So my reply was, it really does to me.. Cretin.
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Family over the road from me have people in and out all the time. Next doors neighbours teenage girls have their mates round in the house all day most weekends.
 
London_Boro said:
Called the family last night and told them we won't be coming. :(

No point. We'd have to form a bubble with my mum and sister, and the wife's mum and dad. So it means none of us would be able to see My brother and family, and she won't be able to see her sister and husband.

We couldn't do that just so we can go up as there are other family members living close by that would be then excluded fro going round to parents house (brothers/sisters etc)

It's just a mess. We told the kids last night we won't be going this year and they were upset, but then said they understood and would make it a great Christmas here just the 4 of us, which I think was quite grown up of them considering they're only 9 and 13.
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If only some of the moronic adults we're reading, hearing and seeing in the media had the same attitude.
 
American_Mary said:
The whole thing is a desperate act by Johnson trying to cling onto his Premiership by introducing a policy that makes little cogent sense and is liable to create a 3rd spike in the New Year when the conditions for viruses will be at their optimum, to introduce tighter Tier 3 restrictions and then ease them for a few days and the reintroduce tier 3 thereafter undermines the month of sacrifice that has gone before, either ease conditions and get things up and running properly or keep things locked down until the rate of infection has been reduced to the 'acceptable' level. Like the 10pm curfew this is an arbitrary directive that has no basis in the science that has supposedly being driving policy since March. People will not obey the guidelines and more and more people are becoming disillusioned with the way this situation has been mishandled.
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I think it’s a bit more complex than that, there are clearly two camps within the country and within the Conservative party, those who favour lockdown and those who don’t. People have been questioning from as early as September what will be the plan for Christmas, do nothing and he would be criticised, do something and be criticised. It’s a no win whatever he does so I’m not sure he gains that much from it.

Personally i would rather stay locked down, we have come this far why spoil it now. However I totally understand the opposite point of view that people want to see their families and that the cost to mental health will be great.its a tough call! My worry is people see it as a green light from 23rd through to a January to do what they want!

Re your point on the science the gvt have been quite clear that this relaxing of the rules comes at a cost.
 
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FatCat said:
I think it’s a bit more complex than that, there are clearly two camps within the country and within the Conservative party, those who favour lockdown and those who don’t. People have been questioning from as early as September what will be the plan for Christmas, do nothing and he would be criticised, so something and be criticised. It’s a no win whatever he does so I’m not sure he gains that much from it.

Personally o would rather stay locked down, we have come this far why spoil it now. However I totally understand the opposite point of view that people want to see their families and that the cost to mental health will be great.its a tough call! My worry is people see it as a green light from 23rd through to a January to do what they want!

Re your point on the science the gvt have been quite clear that this relaxing of the rules comes at a cost.
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I agree with you FC, I suppose if you're in tier 3 the only difference will be families can can visit other households as pubs and restaurants will still be closed.
 
DCI_Gene_Hunt said:
Some people will just do what they like over Xmas/New Year, they are now, we'll be in total lockdown again by February.
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Most on my street have been doing what they like since March so I don't imagine Christmas and New Year are going to be any different.

About 10 days ago, the girl over the road from us, who's boyfriend works away, announced to everyone on the facebook group how she and her two kids had Covid and how they were having to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then within half an hour she and her kids went out in her car and came back a couple of hours later with a McDonalds, and her friend who has been living with them since. They have daily visitors, they all go out at least once a day and her friend gets picked up by her boyfriend most nights then gets dropped back off a couple of hours later. The most bizare thing though was that she asked her neighbour last week to put her bins away as she couldn't go out. This is what we are up against though, and this is the sort of selfish and irresponsible behaviour that has stopped me from seeing my family at Christmas.
 
uncle_rico said:
Most on my street have been doing what they like since March so I don't imagine Christmas and New Year are going to be any different.

About 10 days ago, the girl over the road from us, who's boyfriend works away, announced to everyone on the facebook group how she and her two kids had Covid and how they were having to self isolate for 2 weeks. Then within half an hour she and her kids went out in her car and came back a couple of hours later with a McDonalds, and her friend who has been living with them since. They have daily visitors, they all go out at least once a day and her friend gets picked up by her boyfriend most nights then gets dropped back off a couple of hours later. The most bizare thing though was that she asked her neighbour last week to put her bins away as she couldn't go out. This is what we are up against though, and this is the sort of selfish and irresponsible behaviour that has stopped me from seeing my family at Christmas.
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Just stupid. And there's loads of them about. Grass them up!
 
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