14 point Tory lead - Disastrous polling for Labour

You completely ignore that Starmer started war against anyone progressive within the party.

The PLP actively attempted to sabotage Corbyn.

The coup against Corbyn.

Why the **** should anyone who wants Corbyn support Starmer in the name of pragmatism? It's like you forget that we have memories, the labour party is rotten at its core and no better than the Tories, infact at least with the Tories you can see it coming.
 
Alvez_48 said:
You completely ignore that Starmer started war against anyone progressive within the party.

The PLP actively attempted to sabotage Corbyn.

The coup against Corbyn.

Why the **** should anyone who wants Corbyn support Starmer in the name of pragmatism? It's like you forget that we have memories, the labour party is rotten at its core and no better than the Tories, infact at least with the Tories you can see it coming.
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Exactly. People like me get criticised for not supporting Starmer but as a voter that's my prerogative. The people not supporting Corbyn were sitting MP's and that is unforgivable. Greedy establishment figures should not dictate what the party stands for.
 
Alvez_48 said:
You completely ignore that Starmer started war against anyone progressive within the party.

The PLP actively attempted to sabotage Corbyn.

The coup against Corbyn.

Why the **** should anyone who wants Corbyn support Starmer in the name of pragmatism? It's like you forget that we have memories, the labour party is rotten at its core and no better than the Tories, infact at least with the Tories you can see it coming.
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So the party you campaigned for less than 18 months ago is "rotten at its core"? Perhaps you should have mentioned it at the time, that'd have been a vote winner.
 
HarryVegas said:
This in-fighting - and it's not just on here - among our own ranks saddens me greatly. My own politics are probably more aligned with Corbyn than Starmer but I'm also a pragmatist. As a member, I voted for Corbyn as leader but he failed dismally at the ballot box. He just did. And it had little to do with brexit. The people on the doorsteps were more than vociferous in their "anyone but him" stance.

The voters of this nation - especially England - are never going to elect a proper socialist in a month of Sundays. Sadly since Corbyn's demise, all I've seen from his supporters is bile directed at Starmer from the very start of his leadership; and right now the general tone I'm seeing from them is one of utter delight that at last they're ahead in a battle - even if it is against their own leader.

Meanwhile the country's finances are being emptied out into the pockets of tories who look untouchable. What a deeply depressing state of affairs.
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Corbyn, historically was anti EU and his neutral stance was een as "suspicious" by the working class - IMO
 
Andy_W said:
Scotland went because of Brexit, and labour/ Corbyn had no position on brexit, as he was too week.
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You've misremembered. Scotland was lost in the 2015 election. Before the 2016 brexit vote, and before Corbyn. Bland, boring, zero policies, "nows not the time to criticise the tories, centrist Miliband leadership lost Scotland.
 
Andy_W said:
The UK just isn't as far left as a lot of us want, I would love it if it was, but it just isn't and won't be
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Andy_W said:
Nationalising utilities would be bad news, very bad.
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Andy_W said:
Like I keep saying, I like most of the labour policies when he was there, but I realise my line of thinking isn't as far right as the rest of the UK is, so basically labours policies with JC were a complete fantasy. T
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Andy_W said:
I've voted for Labour, Lib Dem and Tory over the years, and have earned a range of salaries and had various roles to cover every party easily
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Andy you're all over the shop. :ROFLMAO:🤷‍♂️
 
Andy_W said:
Labours membership is not representative of the voters required to actually win seats
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Of course it isn't. But what difference does that make to anything? People that give up their time and money for the party shouldn't expect to be slandered by it's MPs surely? And they could fairly expect to have a big say in who they want to lead the party and what policies they want it to pursue?
 
HarryVegas said:
So the party you campaigned for less than 18 months ago is "rotten at its core"? Perhaps you should have mentioned it at the time, that'd have been a vote winner.
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Damn right it is... The party that actively sabotaged Jeremy Corbyns' election campaign in 2019 is rotten at its core.

The leader of said party has buried the investigation and report that proves the core (which is rotten) sabotaged Jeremy Corbyn.

It's almost as if the report came out AFTER the 2019 campaign.
 
So, as well as being unable to carry the electorate, Corbyn couldn't effectively manage his own party. Sorry, I actually agree that he was done over by the media, but the fact is he proved unable to manage it.

And I have to say it's a bit rich his supporters complaining about disloyalty from within the party, given the 'disloyalty' he showed his leaders while a backbencher.
 
HarryVegas said:
And I have to say it's a bit rich his supporters complaining about disloyalty from within the party, given the 'disloyalty' he showed his leaders while a backbencher.
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Bit of a false equivalence that. There was Labour MPs actually going around telling voters to vote tory at the last two elections. It's not quite the same as Corbyn having the temerity to vote against reducing benefits and the Iraq war.
 
Sounds to me Harry like you didn't like JC that's absolutely fine my friend.

Alot on the left don't like Starmer that's also fine, go win elections without them seeing as he's so electable.
 
SuperStu said:
Bit of a false equivalence that. There was Labour MPs actually going around telling voters to vote tory at the last two elections. It's not quite the same as Corbyn having the temerity to vote against reducing benefits and the Iraq war.
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He defied the whip 428 times while Labour were in power. Saying all those votes were on the 2 issues you outlined is surely a false equivalence?
 
Alvez_48 said:
Sounds to me Harry like you didn't like JC that's absolutely fine my friend.

Alot on the left don't like Starmer that's also fine, go win elections without them seeing as he's so electable.
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You're wrong. I voted for him both times. He failed and his supporters need to move on.
 
HarryVegas said:
Doesn't matter, he voted against the leadership of his party and now his supporters are complaining of disloyalty while he himself was leader.
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Corbyn was entitled to vote the way he wanted. It's part of how our representative democracy works.

Labour officials weren't entiltled to decide they'd use my subs to work towards a Labour defeat.

There is no equivalence.
 
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