Regaining our sovereignty

BlindBoyGrunt said:
This is not a border between UK and France it is between England and England.
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No it isn’t at all, ANPR cameras monitor us all every day. They are only Interested in unlicensed travel and that is a good thing. Do you seriously think the EU will not monitor goods entering from the UK? Yet you seemingly think it ok for any old Tom, d*ck and Pierre to come and go as they please bringing in contaminated goods, dodgy electrics and goodness knows what unmonitored? Get real, If that were to be allowed you’d be among the first to complain. Pragmatism is a word some need to learn. Do you think Labour would not have a system? This world has dodgy people, criminals, people traffickers, terrorists would have a field day if you had your way. Again, what would you propose? Lets hear your solutions!
 
coluka said:
Some will be picked up all over the country potentially
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Didn't happen when we were in the EU ....

coluka said:
Surely a simpler and easier method is for hauliers to ensure they are licensed
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Surely a simpler and easier method would have been to stay in the EU?

coluka said:
Will the EU allow any old truck through France coming from the UK post brexit?
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They did when we were in the EU

coluka said:
Seriously do you think that or do you think they will have a scheme for monitoring goods and travel too?
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Didn't need one when we were in the EU.

coluka said:
There has to be a system we do trade with other trading areas too you know
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We used to have one, it was called EU membership

coluka said:
I am sure we will require licensing
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Didn't when we were in the EU

coluka said:
... I am sure you don’t really want contaminated food and dodgy electricals to be enabled an easier access to our homes
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Didn't happen when we were in the EU ...

I'm beginning to think this Brexit lark wasn't a particularly good idea. I didn't vote for it, hope the people who did are happy.
 
coluka said:
Some will be picked up all over the country potentially
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Nope, it's as they enter into Kent. We are effectively expanding what was the port of Dover, a secured and controlled environment (to assure that goods shipped into mainland europe are as defined and legal) to cover the whole fo Kent. Kent is now a secured environment, with checks and balances for entry for commercial vehicles. If I get a sofa delivered, or a parcel, or a food delivery that comes from Sussex, there is potential of the truck getting stopped and checked, of delays due to others getting stopped and checked, and delays due to the masses of traffic held up by trucks that now have far more paperwork to do.. It's a mess, not what was promised and ruining this county.
 
coluka said:
The dodgy Daves of this world would love a free and open border. I am sure you don’t really want contaminated food and dodgy electricals to be enabled an easier access to our homes
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No I don't want that, but that isn't what we are talking about here. The Kent border is now the border for goods travelling TO europe, not from it. This is to stop the dodgy Dave's from exporting good to EU, not importing them into the UK.
 
Of course It did happen when we were in the EU. We do trade with other partners too you know. Do you think we allow everyone from outside the EU unfettered access to our shore? Do you believe the EU do not control and monitor goods entering and leaving their trading area?
No, of course you don’t, I am sure of that. This bitterness about leaving the EU is pointless. It is happening whether you like it or not we all have to accept it and make the best of it. If we don’t we are cutting our noses off to spite our faces. Pragmatism is needed.
 
FartingGnome said:
Didn't happen when we were in the EU ....



Surely a simpler and easier method would have been to stay in the EU?



They did when we were in the EU



Didn't need one when we were in the EU.



We used to have one, it was called EU membership



Didn't when we were in the EU



Didn't happen when we were in the EU ...

I'm beginning to think this Brexit lark wasn't a particularly good idea. I didn't vote for it, hope the people who did are happy.
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That's spot on. The great unwashed voted for a whole heap of issues blocks, new rules, that never existed before.
 
coluka said:
Of course It did happen when we were in the EU. We do trade with other partners too you know. Do you think we allow everyone from outside the EU unfettered access to our shore?
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Through Kent?

This is about the extra crap we get for trade from the whole of the EU, nothing to do with trade from the rest of the world. We deal with that already, nothing new there. This is new and it's a schitshow.

I guess you think the benefits are worth all this. I'd like to know what they are because I haven't seen a single one yet.
 
BoroMart said:
Nope, it's as they enter into Kent. We are effectively expanding what was the port of Dover, a secured and controlled environment (to assure that goods shipped into mainland europe are as defined and legal) to cover the whole fo Kent. Kent is now a secured environment, with checks and balances for entry for commercial vehicles. If I get a sofa delivered, or a parcel, or a food delivery that comes from Sussex, there is potential of the truck getting stopped and checked, of delays due to others getting stopped and checked, and delays due to the masses of traffic held up by trucks that now have far more paperwork to do.. It's a mess, not what was promised and ruining this county.
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Sorry, you assume a worst case doomsday scenario as fact. ANPR exist all over. It is up to businesses to be licensed and so they should be. They will all know the rules. I am assuming you live in Kent. Tell me what is your solution to stop criminals, dodgy food, goods etc travelling in and out of the UK? The EU requires licensing we are talking about an increase in checks around the busy area. Yes there will be short term problems both in Kent and France without an agreement, it will settle down. I have no doubt an agreement will be forthcoming at some point anyway. Goods have to be licensed and checked it is in the peoples interest and our welfare that they are. No system and unfettered access is really not an option for either the EU or the UK. A system really does exist now, it is being extended using existing technology for now. All I hear is people being upset. It may not be perfect and may cause disruption in the early days, but no system risks lives in all sorts of ways.
 
Whatever happens, its going to cost the taxpayer untold £billions in red tape and disruption. Some that we were told again and again by leave campaigners wouldn't happen.

Instead of a pot of gold for the NHS its going to be a bottomless money pit in boarder checks.
 
BoroMart said:
That's spot on. The great unwashed voted for a whole heap of issues blocks, new rules, that never existed before.
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And the insults start. whether you are for or against is irrelevant. Pragmatism has to be accepted I’m afraid
 
coluka said:
Sorry, you assume a worst case doomsday scenario as fact. ANPR exist all over. It is up to businesses to be licensed and so they should be. They will all know the rules. I am assuming you live in Kent. Tell me what is your solution to stop criminals, dodgy food, goods etc travelling in and out of the UK? The EU requires licensing we are talking about an increase in checks around the busy area. Yes there will be short term problems both in Kent and France without an agreement, it will settle down. I have no doubt an agreement will be forthcoming at some point anyway. Goods have to be licensed and checked it is in the peoples interest and our welfare that they are. No system and unfettered access is really not an option for either the EU or the UK. A system really does exist now, it is being extended using existing technology for now. All I hear is people being upset. It may not be perfect and may cause disruption in the early days, but no system risks lives in all sorts of ways.
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Given everything that this government has done and the way it conducts its contracts, what gives you the confidence that it will indeed get better over time? This was never supposed be an issue at all.
 
Archiestephens_elbow said:
By building borders in Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and Kent.

You couldn't make it up
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Its the narcissistic who want borders "Oohh.... look at him, he is different to me, build a wall". Bigotry and racism, and the worship of billionaires seem to go hand in hand with flag waving gammon chunks. The locked in narcissistic personality. Clearly there is an epidemic if you bring in the blue passport brigade.
 
coluka said:
Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Far too many people are happy to be sheep and snipe from the ether. There has to be a method, your beloved EU does not have open borders with its neighbours, it has methods of licensing and checks and controls. You should perhaps contribute as to what method you feel is better or more appropriate, or perhaps you are happy for anyone to come and go unchecked, unlicensed free to bring in all sorts of unhealthy foodstuffs or dangerous goods for sale? Carp, carp, carp about brexit, that is seemingly all you ever offer on here.
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I have a few ideas, like remaining in EFTA. But again, Leave mean Leave, etc etc. Means we risk peace in NI and have internal borders all over the UK.

For someone who voted for this shambles and whose biggest political desire is to maintain the union I'd say that your love of Brexit isn't going to plan.

As for sniping from the ether - it is an anonymous message board, do you want my CV and NI number? Presently credentials to parliament?
 
Chris_Boro said:
Given everything that this government has done and the way it conducts its contracts, what gives you the confidence that it will indeed get better over time? This was never supposed be an issue at all.
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Because I am a pragmatist that both parties will not want constant disruption and businesses will adapt, change and evolve. Trade happens globally now it will do so in future. I keep pointing out that we have systems in place for importing and exporting around the world, as does the EU. It requires licensing, checks and monitoring now the EU do exactly the same. The EU will be just another addition to the existing system. The EU want an agreement, This government wants an agreement. Both parties are playing hardball. It amazes me so many British people who will continue to be British people take the EU’s side thinking they are right and we should lay down and kow tow for the scraps they offer. Trade is a two way deal there has to be give and take. I do believe we will reach an agreement in time certainly within a couple of years. Some disruption to start with might even be a catalyst to sharpen minds and hasten it up.
People should realise by now, I am no lover of this government, the Tories, the handling of Brexit. I voted for it, but also believe it should never have been offered as a referendum by Dodgy Dave. I was happy for a 2nd referendum as the public no far more now than in 2016. However, I am a pragmatist, as The great Mr Mowbray would say, It is what it is. We have to get on with things as they are, be practical and deal with the change and manage it as best we can. The EU want the best deal for them, we want the best deal for the UK, thats normal. Anyone living in the UK should want the government to try to get the best deal it can too. If that means WTO terms for a while, so be it. As a nation we need to be practical and ptagmatic. We have to have some systems in place for goodness sake. All I hear on this thread is anti government rhetoric and criticism. I do not like or support them, but I am glad they are trying to do something to monitor and check goods coming and going as life would be a whole lot more dangerous otherwise. It may not be perfect, but its a start.
 
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