Funky_Chicken
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I would be quite surprised if he’s still our manager come next May - i just don’t think he really wants to be here, particularly after not getting the players he wanted this transfer window
Sack Wilder?
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BoroMart
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come on man, he inherited a team that owned Coburn, Ikpeazu and Watmore as a strikeforce
a midfield that had one very good player and a lot average one paced ones
the best out an out defender we owned was a 36 year old that we did a favour after his medical scares.
We didn't own a keeper worthy of this level either.
So much work to do. We had a poor selection of backup U23 players as well.
HolgateCorner
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Fair comment.
Johnlennon
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Inherited a team that bad which warnock had sitting in a much better position than we are in now…
Midnight to Six Man
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When Djiksteel came on for the last 20 mins or so against Sunderland i thought he played better than Mcnair had done all season.
Can't understand why he didn't retain his place .
Jones and Crooks played much better tonight after he came on .
The problem we have is we look better without the new signings.
Bola is better than Clarke , Djiksteel is better than Lenihan.
As for Fosse and Hoppe , ridiculous signings, unless they're good enough to play a complete waste of money
Can't understand why he didn't retain his place .
Jones and Crooks played much better tonight after he came on .
The problem we have is we look better without the new signings.
Bola is better than Clarke , Djiksteel is better than Lenihan.
As for Fosse and Hoppe , ridiculous signings, unless they're good enough to play a complete waste of money
Pear-Drops
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He must be here long term......why else would he be buying 'development' players ?.......
Unless of course 'he' didn't buy them ?
Unless of course 'he' didn't buy them ?
BoroMart
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give it 25 games and this team will above that. You have to take a couple of steps back before moving forwards sometimes. Lets not try and pretend warnock was a good manager for us, he was really bad. He got bombed out after losing at home to a rancid Birmingham team 2-0. Lets not pretend all was rosy and Warnock was a genius.
BoroMart
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agree completely, I hoped McNair would be out a couple of matches to let Dijksteel cement his place
Middlesbrough123
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It feels like the manager doesn’t trust the players that should be jn the first 11 like watmore and the team that’s on the pitch don’t seem to have the confidence to string enough passes together moving forward fast enough .
These players are good enough to get better results I think the managers need to show more faith in them
These players are good enough to get better results I think the managers need to show more faith in them
Sadly I'm coming round to thinking he needs to go. His comments after the match tonight have bewildered me. Some of the tactical decision are bewildering me.
The comment: "I sometimes dont understand the level of expectation [in the boro crowd] here cause you've been out of the [Premier] division for quite a while"
If he genuinely can't see why we'd expect to be at the top end of the championship then quite simply he shouldn't be here. It's a waste of his time and ours. It makes me think he maybe sees himself as too good for us.
Similarly if he genuinely can't understand the expectation, then he can't complain about not getting the players he wanted in. If he thinks this is what we are - i.e. a bottom half champo side - then we certainly shouldn't be bidding £10m on young untested strikers.
The tactical decisions:
1) leaving Dijksteel out. Jones was our best player last season. He's had his best games working with Crooks and Dijksteel. Surely anyone would keep that trio together as often as possible. Especially so after losing Tavs pace on the other side.
2) at 2-3 down tonight, with 5 minutes injury time to go, he takes Fry off and has Crooks playing as one of the sweepers. That's our top scorer from last season. We're about to get balls in the box, get him up there. Obviously.
3) we've gone from a passing team with two forwards to a long ball team with one. That doesn't make any sense. If we're just punting balls into the box get 2 forwards on and give us a chance. If we're using McGree as a 10 we should be focusing even more on quick passing moves.
4) I don't understand what he's doing with Forss and Hoppe. Okay maybe they weren't his first choice signings. But they're here now. They're our assets. If we're going to follow a Brentford style system he needs to give them opportunities.
5) the weird criticisms. He's had a go at Crooks for too many bookings. Dijksteel for not enough bookings. Fry for clearing the ball instead of playing out. Look at tonights goals against us. 1st one we need Crooks to take a booking. Second we need Howson to clear the ball. These mistakes are happening imo because players are trying to follow his complaints/instructions.
6) somebody else already said it but players don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing. The 3rd goal past us tonight, Ng goes past Clarke and rather than follow him into the box Clarke's looking around trying to figure out who's meant to be marking him.
The comment: "I sometimes dont understand the level of expectation [in the boro crowd] here cause you've been out of the [Premier] division for quite a while"
If he genuinely can't see why we'd expect to be at the top end of the championship then quite simply he shouldn't be here. It's a waste of his time and ours. It makes me think he maybe sees himself as too good for us.
Similarly if he genuinely can't understand the expectation, then he can't complain about not getting the players he wanted in. If he thinks this is what we are - i.e. a bottom half champo side - then we certainly shouldn't be bidding £10m on young untested strikers.
The tactical decisions:
1) leaving Dijksteel out. Jones was our best player last season. He's had his best games working with Crooks and Dijksteel. Surely anyone would keep that trio together as often as possible. Especially so after losing Tavs pace on the other side.
2) at 2-3 down tonight, with 5 minutes injury time to go, he takes Fry off and has Crooks playing as one of the sweepers. That's our top scorer from last season. We're about to get balls in the box, get him up there. Obviously.
3) we've gone from a passing team with two forwards to a long ball team with one. That doesn't make any sense. If we're just punting balls into the box get 2 forwards on and give us a chance. If we're using McGree as a 10 we should be focusing even more on quick passing moves.
4) I don't understand what he's doing with Forss and Hoppe. Okay maybe they weren't his first choice signings. But they're here now. They're our assets. If we're going to follow a Brentford style system he needs to give them opportunities.
5) the weird criticisms. He's had a go at Crooks for too many bookings. Dijksteel for not enough bookings. Fry for clearing the ball instead of playing out. Look at tonights goals against us. 1st one we need Crooks to take a booking. Second we need Howson to clear the ball. These mistakes are happening imo because players are trying to follow his complaints/instructions.
6) somebody else already said it but players don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing. The 3rd goal past us tonight, Ng goes past Clarke and rather than follow him into the box Clarke's looking around trying to figure out who's meant to be marking him.
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Bernieslavenschin
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I’m with you here and have said as much on another thread.
His comment about expectations is all I need to hear. As though the fans should just expect to get pumped 3-0 in the first half of a home tie we should be aiming to win and we should be happy about it.
I also like the hypocrisy you’ve pointed out between him questioning expectation and wanting the best players, it’s a really good point.
Glover_elbow
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Nobody should be marking Ng but Clarke it's a simple one two you follow your man end of story. It's simply shíte defending.
Big_Nothing
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If he's sniped at the crowd then there's a good chance he's on his way. Can't remember a manager who's had a pop at the supporters lasting long. Usually he's singing our praises.
Well sorry Chris, it works both ways, we're loud and follow in numbers and have seen the side 2/3 down a good few times under you already after setting expectations a lot higher.
If he doesn't think fans aren't right to show discontent when we're conceding the same stupid goals at home in the first half then he needs a reality check.
Well sorry Chris, it works both ways, we're loud and follow in numbers and have seen the side 2/3 down a good few times under you already after setting expectations a lot higher.
If he doesn't think fans aren't right to show discontent when we're conceding the same stupid goals at home in the first half then he needs a reality check.
Glover_elbow
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For such a self acclaimed intelligent manager he's doesn't half shoot himself in the foot when he opens his mouth
BiggEggo
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Whatever he inherited... he made it worse. A lot worse.
His track record st Boro is probably worse than all of even our most abject failures.
He's a Billy BS'er and his players can't abide him by the look of things.
BiggEggo
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That includes discarding most if the players he brought in. Players who are dank and others who can't even get into a sh show of a starting 11.
jonny_greenings_sock
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I think you might have a point.
Wilder’s clearly a good coach, proved by his record and let’s not forget how much we immediately improved within a few games of taking over the dirge that was Warnock’s team, it was absolute night and day.
We went backwards from the January transfer window with the crap loan forwards, and have gone backwards again since summer, to the point where now it looks like his brand new signings aren’t even playing for him.
How much they’re his signings or how much of it is asking the DoF for a type of player is a big question. But you wonder about Wilder’s eye for a player.
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jonny_greenings_sock
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I think there’s a few things happening:
- Wilder’s getting chippy at recruitment, and now the crowd, because he feels let down by recruitment and the job’s maybe not going as he expected it to. The stunt with leaving the squad numbers free was a very clear message and we’ve now brought in two free agents, one of whom didn’t get a game in league one.
- He has been let down by recruitment, the squad’s not good enough in key, key areas and the projects are bizarre.
- It’s a hell of a big rebuild. You can’t do it all in one window, and the loan signings are on paper impressive.
- Much vaunted recruitment strategy of Kieron Scott is yet to bring in a diamond of a player. Likewise, we haven’t spent money that we’ve got to address big gaps in the squad, so you look at the chairman and whether we’re really committing to Wilder - he’s been very clear about what he needs.
- The players are simply not doing it on the pitch and we’re on a shocking run of form stretching back about six months now. Whether that’s because they’ve lost faith in the manager, or that they’re not very good in the first place, or that we’re three players light, it’s a bit of all of them.
Everyone’s under pressure a bit, and everyone’s got a share of the blame - it’s not as simple as changing the manager, though that’s what inevitably happens as it’s the easiest thing to change.
- Wilder’s getting chippy at recruitment, and now the crowd, because he feels let down by recruitment and the job’s maybe not going as he expected it to. The stunt with leaving the squad numbers free was a very clear message and we’ve now brought in two free agents, one of whom didn’t get a game in league one.
- He has been let down by recruitment, the squad’s not good enough in key, key areas and the projects are bizarre.
- It’s a hell of a big rebuild. You can’t do it all in one window, and the loan signings are on paper impressive.
- Much vaunted recruitment strategy of Kieron Scott is yet to bring in a diamond of a player. Likewise, we haven’t spent money that we’ve got to address big gaps in the squad, so you look at the chairman and whether we’re really committing to Wilder - he’s been very clear about what he needs.
- The players are simply not doing it on the pitch and we’re on a shocking run of form stretching back about six months now. Whether that’s because they’ve lost faith in the manager, or that they’re not very good in the first place, or that we’re three players light, it’s a bit of all of them.
Everyone’s under pressure a bit, and everyone’s got a share of the blame - it’s not as simple as changing the manager, though that’s what inevitably happens as it’s the easiest thing to change.