* The Unofficial "Official" Swansea v Boro Match-day Thread UTMB *

Duffman said:
As fans We are our own worst enemy Stop defending the indefensible. Loyalty doesn’t make you a super fan. Real supporters are realistic and describe what’s in front of them.
The keeper situation has been completely mismanaged. A decent stopper would see us comfortably top six. Blame who you like for this.
Jones isn’t the Messiah - he had a good spell but has been anonymous for some time now and his inexperience is clear to see - people on here built him up far too quickly - he isn’t as good as you believe and he is way behind Spence at this time. Not popular but true.
No EPL team is coming in for Tav. He is a bang average Champo player who’s biggest fan is himself. On here daft lads seen him as a 15 / 20 million player - he isn’t. Running around and wasting dead ball situations doesn’t make you a superstar.
We completely blew the January window. Wilder wanted Keinan Davis - he got Connelly and Balogan.who is to blame for that? We are struggling because we can’t score. Wilder blames the midfield - we need blokes who take chances - our strikers don’t.
I was frustrated but now I’m angry - we should be top six - a decent striker and we would be. Play Payero for the last 3. Drop the ‘undropable’ like Tav and Jones and become solid - it’s worked for Luton, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd. We blew a great opportunity this season and someone needs to be held to account
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I agree with some of this, but a lot of it is nothing more than opinion.
The keeper situation HAS done my head in tbh, Lumley was given far too many games to bungle on IMHO.

No player is "The Messiah" I believe. But what Jones is is the first player since Adama who can get me out of my seat most times he gets the ball as I believe in his natural ability and his habit of creating that much. So his form has drifted yes, it happens to EVERY player.

I partly agree with the Tav point. No, it's not unfeasible that a Prem club comes in for Tav, but at the moment it's unlikely as he's not the finished product at all. That would suit me just fine as I want us to hang on to him.

Balogun in my mind has shown signs of why we acquired him. Connelly no, sadly.

It's worked for Hudds and Luton probably. Sheff Utd is yet to be decided.

I'd give Payero a decent amount as a sub next game, ie 35 mins minimum, with a view to starting him in the games thereafter.

Any one of a number of small changes would result in us being almost certain if not already certain of being in the playoffs already. The strikers aren't the main one though for me as others can score; it's the questionable bloke who's been in goal for most of the season.
Indeed if we were to sort that AND the striker position it's more likely we'd currently be in the autos.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I think the blame is for recruiting Connolly even as second choice to davis
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing and on paper it was a decent signing.

Given the amount of work CW expects from his forwards we did need additions, but it was pretty much more of the same from the loanees.
 
Trug said:
The last time we were in the prem was so dire. The booing, getting beat week in week out poor football, loads of empty seats. Dreading going to the game.
At the moment we are getting a fairly full ground, good atmosphere, loads of support with very little booing. look forward to seeing the game, RF in full voice.
So, do I want to be in the PL and be depressed or stay in the Champo and enjoy the games.
Don't get me wrong. I love my Boro and have been going to the match since 1967. But the PL is not about competing for honours. It is all about avoiding relegation for the majority of clubs. Have we got the resources to compete or is 4th from bottom a success? Crossed fingers and tight cheeks and all that.
Or is just missing out via playoffs a a glorious effort.
By the way, I am not talking about the obscene amount of dosh flying about in the PL- purely looking at it from a fans/spectators POV
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Not really my recollection of the season - I’m sure we averaged around 30k @ home. & had some magnificent support away.
yes it did end badly, though , & after Xmas we were very poor
 
Glover_elbow said:
It's not impossible but it's highly unlikely. Personally I would like to see a change from the 532. We are not causing overloads anymore and with fry missing I think it would make more sense to go to a back 4 and a midfield diamond. I would like to see Tav mcgree wide with howson holding and either payero or watmore behind balagun and coburn
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I don’t think it’s highly unlikely.. if fact stats wise, it’s more likely to happen than not (there’s not much in mind)
 
indeedido said:
I have been sitting looking at the remaining fixtures since the match ended.
I'm surprised some have already thrown in the towel.

I think Sheff U will be lucky to get anything out of Loftus Rd in QPR's last home game of the season.
I am pretty confident they won't beat Fulham either on the last day at home. I see them finishing on 69, 70, 71, 72 (if they win one) or at best 73 points (if they win and avoid defeat). If they win their last 2 they deserve the place.

Millwall should stuff Peterborough next saturday, but I can only see them getting beat at Bournemouth on the last day. They will get 69, 70 or at best 72 points.

We can't reach Forest even if they lost all four which they definitely won't.
We won't reach Luton either, they have Reading at home last day even if they need a point.

So Middlesbrough, how much do you want it?
I'm certain that 3 wins will get us 6th place on 73 points, even if Sheff U get 4 points, which I just don't see.
It could get as tight as Goals scored never mind goal difference.
We need to despatch a very poor Cardiff on wednesday night. Only 6 clubs have scored fewer than them and more importantly only 4 clubs have conceded more. We don't just need to win we need to bury them. Payero and McGree to start in midfield for me. Connolly nowhere near the team.
Any sort of win over resurgent Stoke would be great.
Then we go to Preston for a match we may not even have to win if we win our next two at home. But I really do think we will win there.

As gutting as the missed chances are today and as woeful as our senior forwards are, I still think we have a pretty good chance of grabbing 6th.

Play either Huddersfield, or a Spenceless Forest over 2 legs. I think we could easily do Huddersfield.
Huddersfield, Spenceless Forest or Luton at Wembley.
We'd have all taken that wouldn't we?
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It’s most definitely still on! Forest over two legs would be tough.. it’s a whole new ball game and we’d enter into it a much improved team, new ideas.. fresher!
 
Was good to watch the Boro live, first time in a few years for me. I live in Swansea and was able to get there today, sat amongst the Swansea fans.

First of all, my fellow Boro fans, you were brilliant, the home fans around me seemed to be very impressed with the number we brought down and the noise created, so to those who were there, credit to you.

On the pitch, I thought a draw was fair, Swansea played the better stuff, but on another day we could of had 4, good away point, but I think that’s just about it for our play off charge now.

We go again next season
 
GazC_MFC said:
This squad was a never a top 6 squad. It was only because wilder got them purring when he took over that we made it possible. This is a bang average squad and we have been hit by injuries. We’ve done well to in the mix this season
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It is a top six squad! But as we should know by now.. that does not guarantee promotion.. or even a top six finish! The championship is TIGHT! The top six goes down to one or two wins, one or two points and sometimes goal difference! The championship is always 46 games and it always goes down to the last game!
 
newyddion said:
It is a top six squad! But as we should know by now.. that does not guarantee promotion.. or even a top six finish! The championship is TIGHT! The top six goes down to one or two wins, one or two points and sometimes goal difference! The championship is always 46 games and it always goes down to the last game!
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How is it top 6

Keepers 5
Defence 8
Midfield 6
Attack 5

We need to be better is 3 depts to be top 6 imo
 
Oooo said:
You need to explain that. Winning 3 on the bounce is more likely than not stat wise?
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It doesn’t have to be three on the bounce.

Erm.. let’s see the simplest way to explain..
On average points over the season..
Sheffield United 72 (currently 69) one win and one loss. More likely to decrease than increase.
They have one home game and one away.
The two games are both likely to be the loss QPR is the away so would attract that result moreover. A draw would require a win for the final game.. but statistically the loss is the more likely result. Chances stacked against and against the top of the table. 72 Max, more instances of 70 points.

Middlesbrough 68 (currently 64) one win, one draw and one loss. More likely to increase than decrease.

There’s a model that predicts tsunami’s and financial markets.. long story short you add you add you add and eventually you collapse, not always total, but collapse is inevitable. After a collapse you cannot collapse further, you can flatline (financial) or the collapse can be indicative of a structural flaw/fault meaning there will be no build up (geological) either way you are more likely to go up than down.. eventually. The chance of improvement on the WDL 4 points will go WWL, WDW or WWW.. 6 points, 7 points or 9 points. WWW is the least likely and with two home games the most likely becomes WWD -there are more instances of this happening than any other sequence so any two wins and one draw with the most likely to draw being an away game.

7 points + 64 points = 71 points is mostly likely
although with that most likely draw result being the last game Is against Preston 15th and the relit is stacked in favour of improvement verses Sheffields stacked game all be it at home..
Well that’s what makes it more likely.

Fry, Crooks, McGree, Payero.. all sands/sediment building up, all favourable investments. They will be there where previously they were not and as a result more likely to produce a positive contribution.
 
I wish I could share the optimism, but for me we don't look likely to win all 3 games simply because we've stopped taking the game to the opposition.
We have no more room for slip ups so it just feels like today was delaying the inevitable.
We had enough good chances to wrap up the points today and we fell way short of having the quality to finish those chances.
 
On the plus side, we've equalled last season's tally with 3 games to play.

Anything but a win on Wednesday and I think it's over.

I'd like there to be something to play for on the last day, so a couple of wins would be great, we're overdue one.
 
Up front next season - apart from Josh and Duncan - I predict we will see a whole new forward line.(y)
 
GazC_MFC said:
How is it top 6

Keepers 5
Defence 8
Midfield 6
Attack 5

We need to be better is 3 depts to be top 6 imo
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At worst we will be about 5 points outside the play offs, at best in the play offs. So to claim the above just shows the bar is a point or 2 better than the above. Ie improve the keeper to a 6 and attack to 6 and we will be a play off side.
 
newyddion said:
It doesn’t have to be three on the bounce.

Erm.. let’s see the simplest way to explain..
On average points over the season..
Sheffield United 72 (currently 69) one win and one loss. More likely to decrease than increase.
They have one home game and one away.
The two games are both likely to be the loss QPR is the away so would attract that result moreover. A draw would require a win for the final game.. but statistically the loss is the more likely result. Chances stacked against and against the top of the table. 72 Max, more instances of 70 points.

Middlesbrough 68 (currently 64) one win, one draw and one loss. More likely to increase than decrease.

There’s a model that predicts tsunami’s and financial markets.. long story short you add you add you add and eventually you collapse, not always total, but collapse is inevitable. After a collapse you cannot collapse further, you can flatline (financial) or the collapse can be indicative of a structural flaw/fault meaning there will be no build up (geological) either way you are more likely to go up than down.. eventually. The chance of improvement on the WDL 4 points will go WWL, WDW or WWW.. 6 points, 7 points or 9 points. WWW is the least likely and with two home games the most likely becomes WWD -there are more instances of this happening than any other sequence so any two wins and one draw with the most likely to draw being an away game.

7 points + 64 points = 71 points is mostly likely
although with that most likely draw result being the last game Is against Preston 15th and the relit is stacked in favour of improvement verses Sheffields stacked game all be it at home..
Well that’s what makes it more likely.

Fry, Crooks, McGree, Payero.. all sands/sediment building up, all favourable investments. They will be there where previously they were not and as a result more likely to produce a positive contribution.
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Not sure I totally follow all of that but sounds like you know your stuff so here is hoping :)
 
BoroMart said:
At worst we will be about 5 points outside the play offs, at best in the play offs. So to claim the above just shows the bar is a point or 2 better than the above. Ie improve the keeper to a 6 and attack to 6 and we will be a play off side.
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Well the manager is a 9. It’s possible to have those 6 and be a playoff side. I’d like to see midfield 7 and attack 7 to be genuine top 2
 
GazC_MFC said:
Well the manager is a 9. It’s possible to have those 6 and be a playoff side. I’d like to see midfield 7 and attack 7 to be genuine top 2
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Bottom line is that as long as we have the same manager next season then this squad is only a couple of positions away from comfortably getting in the play offs....in fact if we had had Wilder all this season we would almost certainly be in the play offs with this squad
 
BoroMart said:
Bottom line is that as long as we have the same manager next season then this squad is only a couple of positions away from comfortably getting in the play offs....in fact if we had had Wilder all this season we would almost certainly be in the play offs with this squad
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I'd agree with that because Wilder did better on his arrival with Warnock's players than Warnock had. If he had had them from the start then I think we would be at least six points better off, possibly more.
BUT it is also true that since the turn of the year we have more players, players Wilder has signed and we have not kicked on.
We were 5th on Dec 31st and had just beaten Forest, Bournemouth and Blackpool away.
We have not get better since then that is for sure.

I still think we can make 6th, even now, but I was positive as I left Bloomfield Road.
 
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