Asylum seekers to be sent to..... Rwanda

Nano said:
I guess that the point is that they aren't necessarily the people in the most need. Many of them are attempting it because of what we offer. They want to come to the UK and that is very different than having to leave their own country. Asylum is about safety. Once they are in a safe country then they are no longer fleeing. It doesn't make sense to do something dangerous to get from one safe place to another so they are making a choice.

As I said before, I don't know what the answer is. It isn't fair that the closest countries take them all so there has to be a better system for sharing the burden. We are a long way from anywhere dangerous so you have to wonder why so many choose to come here and not one of the several safe countries they have had to pass through to get here. We don't take enough for the relative size of our economy. I'd imagine if there was a war in Ireland or France etc and we were the closest we would take a much bigger share.
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"I guess that the point is that they aren't necessarily the people in the most need. Many of them are attempting it because of what we offer."

A word of advice - stop guessing and get the facts.



www.unhcr.org

Asylum in the UK

A refugee is a person who:
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Where do asylum-seekers in the UK come from?

Amongst adults, Iran was the top nationality claiming asylum in the UK in 2021, as it has been every year since 2016, with 9,800 applications.

In the year ending September 2021, the top five countries of nationality for asylum applications (from main applicants) were:  Iran  (6,002), Eritrea  (4,412) Albania  (4.010),  Iraq (3,042) and Syria (2,303).

(Source:  Immigration statistics, year ending September 2021)


What is a bogus asylum-seeker?

There is no such thing as a bogus asylum-seeker or an illegal asylum-seeker. As an asylum-seeker, a person has entered into a legal process of refugee status determination. Everybody has a right to seek asylum in another country. People who don't qualify for protection as refugees will not receive refugee status and may be deported, but just because someone doesn't receive refugee status doesn't mean they are a bogus asylum-seeker.

Let us remember that a bogus asylum-seeker is not equivalent to a criminal; and that an unsuccessful asylum application is not equivalent to a bogus one - Kofi Annan


What benefits do asylum-seekers receive in the UK?

The majority of asylum-seekers do not have the right to work in the United Kingdom and so must rely on state support.

Housing is provided, but asylum-seekers cannot choose where it is, and it is often ‘hard to let’ properties which Council tenants do not want to live in.

Cash support is available, and is currently set at £39.63 per person, per week, which makes it £5.64 a day for food, sanitation and clothing.

(Source: Home Office)
 
Does this now make us a nation of people traffickers?

Because there seems to be no way back for them. In fact actively being encouraged to settle there.
 
Also, for the "countries full" brexit bigots that will be pleased with this plan: What's the logic of sneding them to the most densely populated country in Africa. Where does that fit in with any supposed common sense?
 
This has made me feel extremely uncomfortable. I suspect as coluka days this doesn't get through parliament then the Lords.

However, and this is what makes me uncomfortable, if we live in a country where enough people are prepared to accept these cruel legal machinations, then I am deeply saddened.

It really is down to the other political parties to unite and throw the tories out. Enact political change to protect our democracy for future generations.

A constitution for a start, closely followed by pr in elections.
 
SmallTown said:
Also, for the "countries full" brexit bigots that will be pleased with this plan: What's the logic of sneding them to the most densely populated country in Africa. Where does that fit in with any supposed common sense?
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According to The Guardian I think it said it costs Australia £1.7m per person to do something similar sending them to Papua New Guinea....but we know the real cost to taxpayers is not the aim of this announcement
 
TeessideCleveland said:
According to The Guardian I think it said it costs Australia £1.7m per person to do something similar sending them to Papua New Guinea....but we know the real cost to taxpayers is not the aim of this announcement
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Funny he we can't afford to remove VAT on heating bills but we can spend millions on racism. Also have you read about the inhumae conditions in the camps on Nauru? This is what we have become.
 
motownjunk said:
This plan was actually suggested as a joke in the Thick of It. It is just a dead cat to distract from Boris' fines. It will appeal to racists too but that is a slippery slope. I have feeling that the practicalities of this will make this very difficult and hideously expensive to setup and operate so they probably won't go through with it.
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It doesn't work on any level.

So, the people arrive in the UK; how do you process them and decide that they should or shouldn't go to Rwanda?

Where's the infrastructure and staffing to do this in the UK?

Do you split families up?

How do they get to Rwanda? Are you doing daily / weekly flights?

Who is in place in Rwanda that will process them? How long will it take?

Do the staff processing understand the laws around seeking asylum?

If they are granted asylum what happens to them?

If they aren't granted asylum what happens to them?

How does the appeals system work?

Why are you such a bunch of racist charlatans?
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
It doesn't work on any level.

So, the people arrive in the UK; how do you process them and decide that they should or shouldn't go to Rwanda?

Where's the infrastructure and staffing to do this in the UK?

Do you split families up?

How do they get to Rwanda? Are you doing daily / weekly flights?

Who is in place in Rwanda that will process them? How long will it take?

Do the staff processing understand the laws around seeking asylum?

If they are granted asylum what happens to them?

If they aren't granted asylum what happens to them?

How does the appeals system work?

Why are you such a bunch of racist charlatans?
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The answer is neatly summed up by "out of sight, out of mind". UK will presumably pay to build a "processing centre" near the airport in Rwanda, and when the people get there, they will disappear into the system and no longer be a problem. Rwandan politicians will be paid a few quid for their troubles and all the Tory voters are happy.
 
It’s a scheme designed purely to appeal to the small minded xenophobic little englander racists who voted for Brexit and vote Tory

You know who you are, and so do we
 
If you support this policy, you are racist.

If you minimise the impact of this policy, you are racist.

If you joke about this policy, or respond with a laughing emoji to those jokes, you are racist.

There’s no hiding from that and some in here have shown themselves to be exactly that.

Disgusting racists.
 
Just underlines what I said on another thread
Tory voters bigoted selfish halfwits
Boris and his cronies know their electorate
Oh I have no doubt this will 'work'
As soon as a few hapless desperate souls are sent to Rawanda the message will get out and the numbers will dive which will be hailed as a 'great success' by the right wing press and the Tories.

Our core values as a nation have never been undermined so much in such a short space of time.
First Brexit and now this.
A nation of insular little Englanders. Go fk yourself Tory cnuts.
 
Reading through this thread a lot of posters have made it clear how unworkable this whole plan is.

The sums involved barely touch the sides, the Aussies spend multiple times what were proposing to process hundreds of migrants. We're dealing with numbers in the 1000s.

So all the racists on this messageboard (and others whose politics are more in tune with this policy) that are frothing at the mouth that this is the right thing to do will be sorely disappointed.

It's so typical of this government. Over promise, under deliver and then move on to the next outlandish thing. The fact that people keep getting taken in by it shows that their hatreds trump their judgement.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Reading through this thread a lot of posters have made it clear how unworkable this whole plan is.

The sums involved barely touch the sides, the Aussies spend multiple times what were proposing to process hundreds of migrants. We're dealing with numbers in the 1000s.

So all the racists on this messageboard (and others whose politics are more in tune with this policy) that are frothing at the mouth that this is the right thing to do will be sorely disappointed.

It's so typical of this government. Over promise, under deliver and then move on to the next outlandish thing. The fact that people keep getting taken in by it shows that their hatreds trump their judgement.
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Yep; fully expect them to 'explore' capital punishment next.
 
Itll never happen, I agree that parliment/ lords won't vote it through in the end. But in the mean time billions will be spend on it in one way or another and most of that will find its way into tory offshore Bank accounts. Its just another avenue to continue the asset stripping of the UK economy.
 
You lot are missing the point

It’s a 1 way ticket for a reason
If the are granted asylum then they will be issued asylum in Rwanda

There’s no means to enter the UK.

Under the proposal, Rwanda would take responsibility for the people who made the more than 4,000-mile journey, put them through an asylum process, and at the end of that process, if they were successful, they would have long-term accommodation in Rwanda.
 
Amazingly thousands of vulnerable people in camps and on the street can locate/make contact with people smugglers but the authorities cant seem to. Alot of people are making alot of money from the suffering of others and it's not only the smugglers
 
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