A new keeper is a priority.

We have 3. I doubt we are even looking until the summer.

We are just going to muddle through with what we've got. No point hammering the point home every match.

We've not had a good keeper for years (since Randolph). He cost a fortune in wages and fee. You get what you pay for.
 
You can tell that Bamba isn’t happy with him (Lumley). I reckon we’ll just soldier on with him this season but he’ll have to be replaced in the summer.
tonybiriyani said:
The season we got promoted Dimi had the best save to shots ratio in the division, and saved us many times.
Sorry but I just don't have the same faith in Lumley - hope I'm proven wrong.
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been obvious weakest link since the start of the season and 2 managers have not addressed it
 
Priv said:
We got promoted with Dimi who had less ability than Lumley. An organised defence with a keeper who speaks and shouts is way more important it protected dimi under karanka and it’s now protecting us with Lumley. Clean sheets throughout December show this..
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All our keepers are average, and keepers are cheap. Deffo should have signed an old stager

When we signed Schwarzer I knew we had something special. I haven't felt that since.
 
as bad as the mistake was, as wilder said it was a succession of mistakes before it got to Lumley, if dyksteel takes a better first touch he wouldn't have needed to play it all the back. I think we over play at the back at times, so lumley will make mistakes
 
His goalkeeping is "ok". Yeah he flaps a bit at crosses but he doesn't tend to let soft shots in like Bettinelli did. His reflexes are good.

The problem is his decision making. I think that's why he sometimes flaps at crosses and why he's making errors with his feet. Dimi was never asked to do that.

People forget that Randolph looked a bit ropey under Monk and partly for the same reason. He was asked to play more with his feet. Pulis came in told him to launch it and he looked really solid all of a sudden.

It's a fine line. The keeper being able to play out of the back is important to how we want to play. Even the best are going to have heart in the mouth moments doing that and Lumley obviously isn't anywhere near the best. Finding a keeper who can play that way and is fairly steady, at championship level, isn't that easy.

The other thing we do is play a high line which means Lumley needs to be quick out of his area on occasion. He seems to be pretty good at that and reading those situations.

We obviously need better, but I don't think he's quite as bad as some make out. The problem is he's limited, he's an average championship keeper and he's being asked to do things that are probably out of his comfort zone.
 
Liamo said:
How do we know that Sol Brynn is just average - we haven't even seen him play yet. He was Queen of the South's player of the year and was apparently brilliant for them.
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It's not really a tough ask for a keeper to look good in Scottish Championship side, playing behind an awful defence who are now bottom of the championship. Not sure how he got player of the year as he was only there half this season wasn't he, and the other half is yet to come?

Keepers in poor leagues and teams, behind poor defences get loads of opportunities to look good, and get little blame when they concede or make errors, as there's usually bigger problems going on.

How many times have we seen "good keepers" for teams near the bottom of the league, look bang average when they go into a good side and have to save it when it matters, saving 1/1 or not making any errors? Saving 4/6 shots on target is difficult to measure ability.

Not saying he couldn't be good mind, Jones came back from a QOS loan, and look what happened since.

For me, we have to assume Brynn is average, until he's proven not to be, and if he was doing better than the other keepers in training he would be at least making the bench, but he's not yet made the bench for the U-23's has he, in the last month? We've used 9 keepers for the U-23's this year.

We need to offload the majority of our keepers and get a good, solid, proven, no 1, and I think that needs to be our priority in the summer.
 
Glover_elbow said:
as bad as the mistake was, as wilder said it was a succession of mistakes before it got to Lumley, if dyksteel takes a better first touch he wouldn't have needed to play it all the back. I think we over play at the back at times, so lumley will make mistakes
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Dijksteel messing up his first touch didn't make it a dangerous passback, it was a comfortable pass to the keeper to get himself out of the dangerous situation he'd put himself in.

It was a simple, simple pass that Lumley dealt with terribly.

The QPR players weren't even pressing strongly, he just messed up.
 
It's a position that we will probably improve on, but we also need a centre forward who scores far more regularly than our current crop and we need a proper left wing back too. It's debatable which of those positions we need to upgrade on most in my opinion.

And those people suggesting Sol Brynn or another of our keepers should replace Lumley, well, I think I'll be happy to leave that decision to Wilder, who sees them all regularly.

Fact is Lumley is best we've got I think.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
It's a position that we will probably improve on, but we also need a centre forward who scores far more regularly than our current crop and we need a proper left wing back too. It's debatable which of those positions we need to upgrade on most in my opinion.
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I think we're alright up front, for now, now we realise Sporar and Watmore is the best combo. We need players with good energy to tire them out, and press hard, which is where Watmore fits in nicely. It would be hard (and expensive) to find another high energy forward who scores more I think. Conolly looked much better last night and looks a good option to bring on for Watmore, as well as Balogun.

We have McGree to come in midfield too, although I'm not sure how good he's meant to be?

Bola coming back in a few weeks will help us at left wing back, he'll offer a lot more going forward than Taylor, but Taylor's been ok defensively.

As longs as Crooks and the other midfielders keep chipping in with goals, and as long as the defence holds up, we can get by without a 20 goal striker, the way we play.
 
No real point in harping on about it. We probably know he's got a mistake in him and also the odd worldie.

He's our current first choice and we can't replace until the summer. I don't think Daniels is any good and I've not seen Brynn. Yet you'd think Wilder knows which of the 3 is 'best'.

So no point hammering him. We can't do anything about it. He's part of a very good side. A side that's playing very well. So it's harsh singling him out all the time. He's not going to get 'better'.

We don't see the 3 keepers daily in training. The other 2 might be even worse. Trust the gaffer👍
 
Keepers make mistakes, Allison, Ederson, De Gea, Lloris....Shilton, Clemence, Grobelaar...

Young keepers make more.

I quite like the way he has been very alert sweeping up recently. He has a good kick on him and he is a decent shot stopper.

Put it this way, he is no Brad Jones.

I'd stick with him. Everyone in our team made more mistakes than Lumley and they do so every single game.

What he needs is encouragement and support and he will improve. I think he has improved.

Far more important than individual mistakes, costly though they are, is how the defence operates as a unit. Wilder hasn't been there that long, but we are tighter at the back overall.

I remember when Grobelaar arrived at Liverpool, he was making all sorts of ricks and causing confusion in what had been an awesome Liverpool defence, but once he understood the unit in front of him and more importantly they understood Grobalaar, they adapted and Hansen will tell you that for every rick he occasionally continued to make, he made a huge positive difference to them overall. They tactically adapted to Grobelaar coming for almost everything, which then cut out the confusion in their defence and even though he got it wrong once in a while, the defence appreciated the amount he snuffed out that they didn't have to deal with. They accepted the cost as statistically they knew they were so much better off.

Lumley will cut down on the individual mistakes as he learns from them, he just won't cut them out. I think we should get used to it and adapt. It seems like the defence like and appreciate him.
 
Andy_W said:
I think we're alright up front, for now, now we realise Sporar and Watmore is the best combo. We need players with good energy to tire them out, and press hard, which is where Watmore fits in nicely. It would be hard (and expensive) to find another high energy forward who scores more I think. Conolly looked much better last night and looks a good option to bring on for Watmore, as well as Balogun.

We have McGree to come in midfield too, although I'm not sure how good he's meant to be?

Bola coming back in a few weeks will help us at left wing back, he'll offer a lot more going forward than Taylor, but Taylor's been ok defensively.

As longs as Crooks and the other midfielders keep chipping in with goals, and as long as the defence holds up, we can get by without a 20 goal striker, the way we play.
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We can get by, the same way we can get by with Lumley, which was the point I was making.

The reason why we picked up 1, rather than 3 points last night, was as much down to a lack of goals from our forwards as much as it was Lumleys mistake, albeit that was obviously more conspicuous.

Sporar and Watmore have been decent for us, Balogun looks a good prospect too, although ive yet to see anything from Connoly, he looks very low on confidence.

We dominated the game last night and yet we needed a defender and an own goal to register.

Given the way we did dominate we should have been out of sight really.

But we're a work in progress and I think this will change.
 
For me the only thing stopping a keeper being recruited must have been financial constraints, with Wilder thinking we might be able to get into the play offs with him if we bring more forwards in.
 
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