Your last point FH is very valid, but it does beg the question why clubs are open now. If they aren't safe for all in september then they are not safe today, surely.
We can't have them going out and enjoying life. They need to be available to deliver our Amazon packages, our just eat deliveries and our Tesco weekly shop remember?
How so? You do realise that if they go unvaccinated, they are more likely to catch the virus and spread the virus to others, and you do realise the virus kills. You might not like the facts, but that is neither here nor there, allowing people to attend indoor events without both vaccines will kill people that wouldn't have died if you banned those people from attending. That's just the facts that we are playing with.
I wouldn't agree with point 2. Yes as we have discussed there are a small number of people who are unable to have the vaccine and are in the subset of people who will also go clubbing. (Must who can't have it are probably ruled out anyway.)
exactly, and that's my point the balance being open them but enforce vaccination to protect everyone that goes and everyone that comes into contact with the nightclubbers in the subsequent days. That is the balance, that is required. Football stadia are outdoors which is inherently a less dangerous environment
Yes it is, but it's also coercing people to do that right thing. Whether through ignorance or stubbornness or lack of awareness choosing to not get the vaccine is increasing the public health risk to both yourself and the wider population. As I mentioned before some people need to have that level of guidance. We have seen to a lesser extent with masks that some people will simply ignore medical advice and common sense and so will need to be encouraged to protect the community legally.
There are a very small number of people that fall into that category, and maybe they can be given a digital medical exemption. The real question is around those that choose not to vaccinate because they think Bill Gates will turn you into a Cyberman
Threat of losing your license to operate your business or threat of jail will soon make business owners take note and adhere. It'll never be 100% but it is actionable.
There is always 1.5 the pragmatic view that we do the best we can to keep people safe and allow businesses to operate = vaccine passport.
Most of tesco drivers are way over nighclub age to be honest. My regular amazon deliverer is in her 50s and doesn't look the clubbing type, I don't do just eat.
Flu kills also
This is far more dangerous than flu. Dear me....just to clarify you believe that Covid is akin to flu in its danger to people? I mean you wouldn't have posted your last post if you didn't think so, right?
It may be, but the fact still remains that flu kills.
So is it more dangerous than flu?
That is irrelevant to your argument. I could go and get all sweaty in a nightclub, pass on my flu virus to somebody else who could then go onto die from it.
No, you brought up Flu, which as we both agree is simply not as dangerous as Covid. The irrelevance is bringing up the existence of flu, something not as potent and not novel so less chance of dangerous mutations as some kind of argument against protecting against covid. So now that we have agreed that was a very silly point of yours lets get back to my point and see if you have a better argument against it:
So do peanuts. What's yer point?
My argument is that you cannot ban someone due to a disability or a difference. You may be happy with that but I can assure you I am not. It won't be just from nightclubs but from sporting events, cinema's, theatres etc. This is the thin end of the wedge.