Mask wearing post pandemic

Will you still wear one?

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 62.7%

  • No

    Votes: 56 37.3%
  • Total voters
    150
SmallTown said:
I'm not sure how many times we have to explain this. Yes it IS entirely his personal choice but, as the virus is currently accelerating and there are many vulnerable people in this country it IS selfish to stop wearing masks.
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We are actually moving from mandate by government diktat to personal responsibility. Not personal choice.
 
Laughing said:
And you believe that don't you? I want to have an argument.... Nope I don't I want some mutual respect, something you seem incapable off.



Not a single response on your assumptions about me, which were wrong, not one reponse.

Not a single reponse when someone wanted a member of my family to catch covid, and catch it bad. Not one repsponse.

And you are sad that people don't respect each other. The concept of respect for others is alien to you.
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And you believe that don't you? I want to have an argument.... Nope I don't I want some mutual respect, something you seem incapable off.
I've explained my use of the word selfish something you have been unable to counter. And yes I absoltuely believe you are doing this just to argue. It's not the first time
Not a single answer to the reasons why people might not want to wear a mask, not one response from you.
That's just an outright lie.
Not a single response on your assumptions about me, which were wrong, not one reponse.
The assumptions were based on you attacking and insulting people promoting mask wearing. It's not difficult to understand why that might have been confusing. Goes back to point one. You clearly were up for an argument if you agree and yet still want to argue
Not a single reponse when someone wanted a member of my family to catch covid, and catch it bad. Not one repsponse.
No, you called me stupid, you threw more than one insult at me. Did you expect me to be the first to your defences when someone else his an issue with you? If so, maybe you need to work on how you treat people? Treat people how you demand people treat you perhaps?
And you are sad that people don't respect each other. The concept of respect for others is alien to you.
I am sad about it yes, and I'm sad there seem to be so many selfish people around. Respect is earned also. If your'e talking about yourself and referring to the point above, my answer is the same. Why would I respect someone happy to throw insults and insinuations around aimed directly at me?
 
I’ve got an idea.

why don’t you all just go outside and wave your willies in the air. You can then decide who’s got the biggest.

that should settle it, once and for all, rather than posting all this self righteous nonsense, nastiness and vitriol.
 
@SmallTown millions and millions of people in the country are going to stop wearing masks on the 19th. I'm one of those people, it's not normal. People want normality back.

You'll just have to get over it instead of preaching that people are selfish.

Wear one if you want, good for you.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
@SmallTown millions and millions of people in the country are going to stop wearing masks on the 19th. I'm one of those people, it's not normal. People want normality back.

You'll just have to get over it instead of preaching that people are selfish.

Wear one if you want, good for you.
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Interesting that the original thread title was “post pandemic” which is automatically interpreted as “post 19th July”.
 
SmallTown said:
And you believe that don't you? I want to have an argument.... Nope I don't I want some mutual respect, something you seem incapable off.
I've explained my use of the word selfish something you have been unable to counter. And yes I absoltuely believe you are doing this just to argue. It's not the first time
Not a single answer to the reasons why people might not want to wear a mask, not one response from you.
That's just an outright lie.
Not a single response on your assumptions about me, which were wrong, not one reponse.
The assumptions were based on you attacking and insulting people promoting mask wearing. It's not difficult to understand why that might have been confusing. Goes back to point one. You clearly were up for an argument if you agree and yet still want to argue
Not a single reponse when someone wanted a member of my family to catch covid, and catch it bad. Not one repsponse.
No, you called me stupid, you threw more than one insult at me. Did you expect me to be the first to your defences when someone else his an issue with you? If so, maybe you need to work on how you treat people? Treat people how you demand people treat you perhaps?
And you are sad that people don't respect each other. The concept of respect for others is alien to you.
I am sad about it yes, and I'm sad there seem to be so many selfish people around. Respect is earned also. If your'e talking about yourself and referring to the point above, my answer is the same. Why would I respect someone happy to throw insults and insinuations around aimed directly at me?
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You do talk a load of nonsense.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
@SmallTown millions and millions of people in the country are going to stop wearing masks on the 19th. I'm one of those people, it's not normal. People want normality back.

You'll just have to get over it instead of preaching that people are selfish.

Wear one if you want, good for you.
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No, I absolutely won't "get over it" People who don't wear masks whilst we are in the situation we are in are selfish. Don't carry out a selfish act then pretend to be upset when someone calls you out on it.
 
It's another simple one. I confess that I haven't read the thread but my stance on this is really simple as it ought to be with any decent and reasonable person. Wearing a mask is like covering your mouth/nose when you sneeze. It's a common courtesy, not to protect yourself but to protect others. If on July 20th you decide not to wear a mask then you're a selfish pr*ck. It's as simple as that.
 
I hope the government's gamble pays off but all I can see is a lack of patience being the catalyst for another winter lockdown or at the very least a re-introduction of greater restrictions if the acceleration of cases with the delta (India) variant overtakes the number of people who have been double jabbed (I am lucky enough to have been).

I can't understand how nightclubs, which have been shut down throughout at great cost can suddenly open back up and return to cramming people in across 8 hours a night like nothing has happened. Surely open them up with limited capacity and scale up from there?

The same for gigs. I've got a ton of tickets to gigs that have been rescheduled that I'm really looking forward to, but with many of them in October and November, I'm not sure we'll get there due to opening the floodgates on 19th July.

It's similar to Eat Out to Help Out which was basically six weeks of respite before the long slog of two more lockdowns during autumn and winter.

It's snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to me. I'll continue to wear a mask on trains, when in shops, when in enclosed places, but I fully expect there will end up being pubs divided along lines of where its acceptable to wear masks/not wear masks similar to when there was resistance to the smoking ban.

I might be wrong but does 19th July also signal an end for all the support around Covid case monitoring that was helpful to local public health? That wouldn't strike me as 'learning to live with the virus'

It's like a fire chief not worrying about a developing moor fire because 'we've already put one out this year'.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
I hope the government's gamble pays off but all I can see is a lack of patience being the catalyst for another winter lockdown or at the very least a re-introduction of greater restrictions if the acceleration of cases with the delta (India) variant overtakes the number of people who have been double jabbed (I am lucky enough to have been).

I can't understand how nightclubs, which have been shut down throughout at great cost can suddenly open back up and return to cramming people in across 8 hours a night like nothing has happened. Surely open them up with limited capacity and scale up from there?

The same for gigs. I've got a ton of tickets to gigs that have been rescheduled that I'm really looking forward to, but with many of them in October and November, I'm not sure we'll get there due to opening the floodgates on 19th July.

It's similar to Eat Out to Help Out which was basically six weeks of respite before the long slog of two more lockdowns during autumn and winter.

It's snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to me. I'll continue to wear a mask on trains, when in shops, when in enclosed places, but I fully expect there will end up being pubs divided along lines of where its acceptable to wear masks/not wear masks similar to when there was resistance to the smoking ban.

I might be wrong but does 19th July also signal an end for all the support around Covid case monitoring that was helpful to local public health? That wouldn't strike me as 'learning to live with the virus'

It's like a fire chief not worrying about a developing moor fire because 'we've already put one out this year'.
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Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
I hope the government's gamble pays off but all I can see is a lack of patience being the catalyst for another winter lockdown or at the very least a re-introduction of greater restrictions if the acceleration of cases with the delta (India) variant overtakes the number of people who have been double jabbed (I am lucky enough to have been).

I can't understand how nightclubs, which have been shut down throughout at great cost can suddenly open back up and return to cramming people in across 8 hours a night like nothing has happened. Surely open them up with limited capacity and scale up from there?

The same for gigs. I've got a ton of tickets to gigs that have been rescheduled that I'm really looking forward to, but with many of them in October and November, I'm not sure we'll get there due to opening the floodgates on 19th July.

It's similar to Eat Out to Help Out which was basically six weeks of respite before the long slog of two more lockdowns during autumn and winter.

It's snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to me. I'll continue to wear a mask on trains, when in shops, when in enclosed places, but I fully expect there will end up being pubs divided along lines of where its acceptable to wear masks/not wear masks similar to when there was resistance to the smoking ban.

I might be wrong but does 19th July also signal an end for all the support around Covid case monitoring that was helpful to local public health? That wouldn't strike me as 'learning to live with the virus'

It's like a fire chief not worrying about a developing moor fire because 'we've already put one out this year'.
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There is a wider question to answer here, you're right. Johnson has taken a risk lifting restrictions, but as usual he painted himself into a corner with the slogan "Cautious yet irreversible roadmap to freedom". The use of the slogan meant he couldn't u-turn with the delta variant taking hold.

The wider question is, has enough of the population been vaccinated to keep mortality at an acceptable level, i.e. below overwhelming the NHS. And does the vaccination offer enough protection for the period required to give boosters to the most vulnerable.

I don't know the answer to that question. The daily stats from Bear and Billy suggest we may be OK.

I would like to see some clear evidence and models of where we are likely to go week on week with the current vaccination rates. What is your real risk with no vaccination and age, what is your real risk with 1 jab, and 2 jabs.

Then we can let people make decisions about their risk level. If you are uncomfortable, stay home more. It's awful for those who have to go to work yet feel unsafe with the level of risk, but I am not sure what could be done for those folks.

There isn't an easy answer here and we are not being given all the information to make informed decisions ourselves. That alone suggests that Johnson isn't comfortable telling us restrictions are ending and here is the data to support it. probably because the data doesn't support it.

I am a smart fella and I really don't know.
 
Laughing said:
There is a wider question to answer here, you're right. Johnson has taken a risk lifting restrictions, but as usual he painted himself into a corner with the slogan "Cautious yet irreversible roadmap to freedom". The use of the slogan meant he couldn't u-turn with the delta variant taking hold.

The wider question is, has enough of the population been vaccinated to keep mortality at an acceptable level, i.e. below overwhelming the NHS. And does the vaccination offer enough protection for the period required to give boosters to the most vulnerable.

I don't know the answer to that question. The daily stats from Bear and Billy suggest we may be OK.

I would like to see some clear evidence and models of where we are likely to go week on week with the current vaccination rates. What is your real risk with no vaccination and age, what is your real risk with 1 jab, and 2 jabs.

Then we can let people make decisions about their risk level. If you are uncomfortable, stay home more. It's awful for those who have to go to work yet feel unsafe with the level of risk, but I am not sure what could be done for those folks.

There isn't an easy answer here and we are not being given all the information to make informed decisions ourselves. That alone suggests that Johnson isn't comfortable telling us restrictions are ending and here is the data to support it. probably because the data doesn't support it.

I am a smart fella and I really don't know.
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It’s not just about death rates but also the effects of long covid, the higher risk of a partially vaccinated society becoming a breeding ground for more dangerous variants etc. It was evident from yesterday’s briefing that Whitty and Vallance do not think this is the right course of action. As usual though our ‘leader’ is more than happy to crack on regardless. No doubt his approval ratings will soar as a consequence.
 
Adi_Dem said:
It’s not just about death rates but also the effects of long covid, the higher risk of a partially vaccinated society becoming a breeding ground for more dangerous variants etc. It was evident from yesterday’s briefing that Whitty and Vallance do not think this is the right course of action. As usual though our ‘leader’ is more than happy to crack on regardless. No doubt his approval ratings will soar as a consequence.
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Unfortunately Adi, long covid is with us now and to stop that, what would we do?

You would have to break transmission chains and that means a lockdown. The current restrictions clearly are not enough as the infection rate is growing exponentially.

You argue about long covid as a problem, quite rightly so, but suggest anyone not wearing a mask is selfish. Isn't anyone going to a pub, restaurant or cinema equally as selfish?

Continuing to wear a mask won't really help, T&T is woefully inadequate when we have low infection rates and is completely pointless with 30000 infections every day.

Wearing a mask is like taking paracetamol for a brain tumor.

Without more supporting mechanisms in the way of restrictions more people will catch covid. Some will die, some will suffer hospitalization with long covid for some time, and our kids are a health disaster waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in tesco's isn't going to change that, I am afraid.

The question then becomes what level of health crisis are we comfortable with? None would be my answer, but apparently it isn't for everyone and I am not about to criticize someone for not wearing a mask whilst others are using pubs and cafes. that is a level of hypocrisy I am just not comfortable with.
 
SmallTown said:
No, I absolutely won't "get over it" People who don't wear masks whilst we are in the situation we are in are selfish. Don't carry out a selfish act then pretend to be upset when someone calls you out on it.
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You are entitled to that opinion.

Just don't cry when some call you out on it

Wear a mask, that's fine. Your choice. I won't call anybody out for wearing one. I won't be wearing one as that's my choice. Unless asked to do so in a specific venue. Freedom of choice is a wonderful concept.
 
Laughing said:
Unfortunately Adi, long covid is with us now and to stop that, what would we do?

You would have to break transmission chains and that means a lockdown. The current restrictions clearly are not enough as the infection rate is growing exponentially.

You argue about long covid as a problem, quite rightly so, but suggest anyone not wearing a mask is selfish. Isn't anyone going to a pub, restaurant or cinema equally as selfish?

Continuing to wear a mask won't really help, T&T is woefully inadequate when we have low infection rates and is completely pointless with 30000 infections every day.

Wearing a mask is like taking paracetamol for a brain tumor.

Without more supporting mechanisms in the way of restrictions more people will catch covid. Some will die, some will suffer hospitalization with long covid for some time, and our kids are a health disaster waiting to happen. Wearing a mask in tesco's isn't going to change that, I am afraid.

The question then becomes what level of health crisis are we comfortable with? None would be my answer, but apparently it isn't for everyone and I am not about to criticize someone for not wearing a mask whilst others are using pubs and cafes. that is a level of hypocrisy I am just not comfortable with.
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Of course wearing a mask doesn't solve the pandemic, no one here is arguing it will. But if wearing a mask stops me spreading it to even one other person, then I'll willingly do it.
 
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