Mask wearing post pandemic

[Laughing]

I believe our front of house staff will still be 'allowed' to wear face coverings should they choose to do so. It'll be great to see the late night drinkers return to the place though. We've been told countless times they won't come back whilst table service and the "other hoops they have to jump through" (their words not mine) are still in place. Can't wait to see and hear the proper buzz about the place again.

For a segment of society there has been so much missing. Some people have turned 18 and not been to a club with their friends on the pull. Whilst that horrified me now, we all did it as kids and the younger generation have missed out for a year and a half. Proper weddings can start again.,18th and 21st birthday parties when mum and dad dance to the music man. Standing at a bar and arguing football with a guy you have never met. Chatting up barmaids, complaining that someone jumped in front off you in the beer queue.

You know the fabric of uk life.

 

[Trug]

Sorry for your loss trugg, it's easy to forget that these are real people with friends and family that are dying.

In any event you raise a good point about staff perhaps being forced to not wear masks. I would reiterate what I have already said, people should be allowed to continue wearing masks or not without fear of reprisals.

Thanks Laughing. -"people should be allowed to conltinue wearing masks or not without fear of reprisals." It is this sort of statement that really gets my goat. It looks like we as a population are being fed hope and no actual leadership. If the government had laid out a staright choice being, say something on the lines of ".....on July 19th you no longer have to wear masks but this is the possible effect of not wearing them etc, etc........." and then laid out some figures/projections of infections, deaths, hospital admissions. Instead they have delegated that responsibility to the individual, who, in many cases, is not capable/ understanding the effects of this. This is not leadership- it is absolute cowardice. Why.? Because if people die, ( and they will), and people become infected,(and they will), and businesses lose customers etc, the government will say, "Well, you made the decision not to wear a mask, not us" It is either safe not to wear a mask or it is not. That should be a government decision and that is what we pay them for.

 

[Trug]

But I don't want to be a killjoy- As Randy said earlier. It will be marvelous to get back to normal and be ouselves again

 

[Laughing]

Thanks Laughing. -"people should be allowed to conltinue wearing masks or not without fear of reprisals." It is this sort of statement that really gets my goat. It looks like we as a population are being fed hope and no actual leadership. If the government had laid out a staright choice being, say something on the lines of ".....on July 19th you no longer have to wear masks but this is the possible effect of not wearing them etc, etc........." and then laid out some figures/projections of infections, deaths, hospital admissions. Instead they have delegated that responsibility to the individual, who, in many cases, is not capable/ understanding the effects of this. This is not leadership- it is absolute cowardice. Why.? Because if people die, ( and they will), and people become infected,(and they will), and businesses lose customers etc, the government will say, "Well, you made the decision not to wear a mask, not us" It is either safe not to wear a mask or it is not. That should be a government decision and that is what we pay them for.

You're not wrong. I have no idea whether masks will have a meaningful effect on infection rates given other restrictions are going and I am an intelligent bloke taking an interest in the science around covid.

I think we openef up too early for political reasons and we now have high infection rates. I would like to see models no mask v mask so we can all make a decision based on information. The government don't want to end restrictions but are too far down the road now to reverse the decision, in my opinion.

How can any of us make an informed decision when the government are abdication decisions to the public and doing so without giving us all the information.

My feeling is that continuing to wear masks will have no meaningful effect but right now we have no way of knowing because there are no covid studies around masks other than the japanese one which was inconclusive and also had lockdown in place so was only seeing how covid spread in a household. Masks didn't help in those circumstances.

Oh it might have been China but I think it was Japan.

In any event I have no idea which is why I advocate for people being free to make their own decisions without keyboard warriors insulting then.

Best of luck.

 

[red_harrington]

I will wear a mask when it is a requirement of the establishment I will be in but otherwise forget it.

I like, many other people, am double vaccinated, it’s time to move on.

You can still pass on the virus to others despite being double vaccinated:

Past COVID-19 infection provides some immunity but people may still carry and transmit virus

Study finds past coronavirus (COVID-19) infection provides some immunity for at least 5 months, but people may still carry and transmit the virus.

www.gov.uk

and

Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Get the answer from an infectious disease specialist

health.clevelandclinic.org

And numerous other evidence-backed websites

What possible harm can it do wearing a mask?

The only answer: Nothing

What possible harm can it do NOT wearing a mask?

I don't think I need to explain the answer

 

[Mwelolo]

You can still pass on the virus to others despite being double vaccinated:

Past COVID-19 infection provides some immunity but people may still carry and transmit virus

Study finds past coronavirus (COVID-19) infection provides some immunity for at least 5 months, but people may still carry and transmit the virus.

www.gov.uk

and

Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Get the answer from an infectious disease specialist

health.clevelandclinic.org

And numerous other evidence-backed websites

What possible harm can it do wearing a mask?

The only answer: Nothing

What possible harm can it do NOT wearing a mask?

I don't think I need to explain the answer

You can still pass on the virus to others despite being double vaccinated:

Past COVID-19 infection provides some immunity but people may still carry and transmit virus

Study finds past coronavirus (COVID-19) infection provides some immunity for at least 5 months, but people may still carry and transmit the virus.

www.gov.uk

and

Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Get the answer from an infectious disease specialist

health.clevelandclinic.org

And numerous other evidence-backed websites

What possible harm can it do wearing a mask?

The only answer: Nothing

What possible harm can it do NOT wearing a mask?

I don't think I need to explain the answer

Yes, you can pass on the virus when vaccinated.

That is not a reason to wear masks forever.

 

[Erimus74]

North East now a hotspot- in that case I think I shall be wearing my mask for some time to come. Having lost four friends to Covid and supported a few others after they had caught the infection I think I'll do my best to play safe.
To be honest, I am really puzzled by this.
Anyone could go into a bar and not wear their mask- fair enough, if that is their choice. But that person may only go into the bar for a few hours a couple of times a week. The barstaff are there everyday -being exposed to veryone else who does not wear a mask.
Now- we could say that barstaff should wear a mask when serving in that case, but does that not send a signal to "punters" that that particular bar/pub etc is not safe? And if that was so, would the manager/owners want the barstaff not to wear masks at work?
Bus drivers and train counductors may well be in a similar position. Or am i overthinking things?
Any way- the link to the North East being a hot spot is below.

North-east is now England’s Covid hotspot, say experts

Local health leaders blame spike in cases on Delta variant affecting unvaccinated under-25s

www.theguardian.com

Sorry to read about your friends Trug & sorry about your loss

 

[NYboro]

I believe our front of house staff will still be 'allowed' to wear face coverings should they choose to do so. It'll be great to see the late night drinkers return to the place though. We've been told countless times they won't come back whilst table service and the "other hoops they have to jump through" (their words not mine) are still in place. Can't wait to see and hear the proper buzz about the place again.

I find this "allowed to" really strange. Wait staff and bar staff here must wear face masks if they are not fully vaccinated. The same goes for clients until they are seated.

 

[Laughing]

You can still pass on the virus to others despite being double vaccinated:

Past COVID-19 infection provides some immunity but people may still carry and transmit virus

Study finds past coronavirus (COVID-19) infection provides some immunity for at least 5 months, but people may still carry and transmit the virus.

www.gov.uk

and

Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Get the answer from an infectious disease specialist

health.clevelandclinic.org

And numerous other evidence-backed websites

What possible harm can it do wearing a mask?

The only answer: Nothing

What possible harm can it do NOT wearing a mask?

I don't think I need to explain the answer

I'll try this once more. Wearing a mask for lots of people causes harm. People with mental health problems and lip readers to name but 2.

Dont assume because it doesn't bother you that its the same for everyone. It isnt.

 

[Randy]

I find this "allowed to" really strange. Wait staff and bar staff here must wear face masks if they are not fully vaccinated. The same goes for clients until they are seated.

I find this "allowed to" really strange. Wait staff and bar staff here must wear face masks if they are not fully vaccinated. The same goes for clients until they are seated.

As I mentioned it'll be personal choice. I'd probably guess that most of our FOH staff will continue to wear them until they are all fully vaccinated.

 

[red_harrington]

I'll try this once more. Wearing a mask for lots of people causes harm. People with mental health problems and lip readers to name but 2.

Dont assume because it doesn't bother you that its the same for everyone. It isnt.

I haven't read the whole thread so I was unaware of you posting this already.

I would never advocate a blanket rule, of course some people should be exempt according to their circumstances.

That said, for most people wearing a mask does no harm whatsoever.

 

[ThePrisoner]

 

[dooderooni]

What Chris Whitty and other medical professionals say: Wear a mask when 8n enclosed or crowded spaces and around those you don't know.

What Boris said: There will be no legal requirement to wear a mask and it'll be a matter of personal responsibility.

What many will hear: Throw your mask in the bin

Once again it's wooly leadership that'll lead to issues.

For all the valid reasons to not wear or wear a mask it has been left down to the individual and we know how selfish we can be as a society. Rising infections and hospitalisations won't enter the minds of many post the 19th.

 

[SmallTown]

They provide protection both ways.

Yes but it’s better at stopping the spread. That’s why I asked you to consider others who may be vulnerable

 

[SmallTown]

I remember having the discussion on here at the start of the pandemic with people who wouldn’t wear a mask in shops until the day the government made it a legal requirement, despite Covid being rife at the time, and here we are in the same position having the same discussion 18 months later. Can’t understand how people are still so irresponsible and take no responsibility for their or other people’s health unless the government tells them to. It’s common sense, nothing more nothing less

It’s not just common sense. It’s acknowledging we are part of a greater society. It’s wanting to care for your fellow man. That’s why some of the response on here make me sad. They have no regards for any altruism at all. Which is why I take the view they are selfish. Because they show that.

 

[SmallTown]

Small Town, you first commented on this thread at 07.23 and have continued all day harassing posters who said they would not wear a mask.
Time to take a deep breath, and take a break.
After all, the initial post and poll, asked who would or would not continue to wear a mask. It didn't ask anyone to justify their response.

Harrasing? You must be a sensitive soul. I’ve merely said it’s a selfish act. Which I believe it is. No one is harrasing. The problem is people like laughing want to have an argument so take fake offence at me calling it a selfish act yet without being able to counter my reasons for thinking it is selfish.

 

[Randy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1412146653193179141

It's not just the Tories who are hypocrites.

 

[festa5]

I'll probably continue to wear one in shops and crowded spaces. It's just common courtesy, it's about protecting others. Very minor discomfort to do. Some of the big babies who can't handle wearing a small piece of cloth over their faces while they go and buy a pint of milk or whatever need to go and have a word with themselves.

once the virus is definitely under control I'll probably just wear one if I'm sick. One culture change I do hope beds in is an end to people dragging themselves into the office when full of it, sitting there coughing and spluttering all day. Just WFH ffs. Instead of coming in and spreading it around. Appreciate not possible in all occupations of course

 

[Steer]

Harrasing? You must be a sensitive soul. I’ve merely said it’s a selfish act. Which I believe it is. No one is harrasing. The problem is people like laughing want to have an argument so take fake offence at me calling it a selfish act yet without being able to counter my reasons for thinking it is selfish.

About 100 posts attacking anyone who doesnt agree with you, but yeah that can't possibly be seen as harrasing.

 

[ThePrisoner]

After 19th July are people required to isolate if they have symptoms or can they just circulate with everyone else?