India Covid Situation - Big Improvement

homersapien said:
Absolutely. Just as the excess deaths that happen around the times of large covid outbreaks is the best way of assessing the impact of covid so the deaths that follow vaccinations that exceed the amount you would expect in the population vaccinated is a useful measure of the risk from being vaccinated.

However the twitter thread doesn't try to do that. It quotes large numbers of adverse reaction without attempting to pull out the reactions which leads to more deaths than expected. That would have been genuinely useful.
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No coverage whatsoever of this by MSM outlets



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Funky_Chicken said:
No coverage whatsoever of this by MSM outlets



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A very quick google for bbc covid vaccination risk returned this from 10 hours ago as one of the first results. As a mainstream report I wouldn't expect a lot of detail.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: When can teenagers get a second dose?

All 16 and 17 year-olds in the UK can now have a second dose 12 weeks after the first.
www.bbc.co.uk

That page links to another page that goes into more detail about the risk of clots.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid vaccines and rare clots - what you need to know

We take a look at why these unusual clots happen and when they occur.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
homersapien said:
Absolutely. Just as the excess deaths that happen around the times of large covid outbreaks is the best way of assessing the impact of covid so the deaths that follow vaccinations that exceed the amount you would expect in the population vaccinated is a useful measure of the risk from being vaccinated.

However the twitter thread doesn't try to do that. It quotes large numbers of adverse reaction without attempting to pull out the reactions which leads to more deaths than expected. That would have been genuinely useful.
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The link below suggests that deaths shortly after vaccinations are running at less than half the deaths you'd expect from the number and age of the people vaccinated.

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Evil said:
I need to speak to someone?

I've never thought more clearly in my life chap.

Look up Agenda 2030, originally Event 201 then come back to me.
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This audit is a sham and if you'd researched it you'd see that. Funded by Trump loyalists, run by Trump loyalists, no safety proticolls or outside observers. Press being thrown out, there a million red flags around that supposed audit.

You're deep in the well of conspiracy mate and you need help. If you think a audit with no observers outside of trump loyalists is going to reveal any truth whatsoever your a fool. For denying covid and thinking you've researched a subject 1000s of academics haver barely scratched the surface of you are a moron.
 
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smogontherhine said:
I would prefer the WHO to be totally independent of any financial influence but accept that is unrealistic... after all governments themselves aren't. I still think at the very least they should only be funded by governments and everything should be completely transparent. I do have a problem that an organisation that promotes vaccines is the 6th largest contributor even accepting that vaccines have been enormously beneficial to world health.
As for Bill Gates, he has clearly been incredibly philanthropic and as far as I can see mostly honest in his motives. He still shouldn't be funding the WHO though, it would be the same as him funding the UN.
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If the nations don't do it, then I'm happy for charity/ external funding to do it. I trust Bill Gates more than I trust the USA though and trust the German government more than our own. Safety in numbers though, there's so much funding from all sorts of places and they have a direct set of aims which I can't largely fault.

To me they're certainly trustworthy, big enough that they have a vast wealth of diverse knowledge, actively encourage testing and it being peer rievewed, and are seemingly against bias. Will all of their recommendations be good for all countries 100%? No, of course not, but that's not the aim. They will advise things better than a lot of countries can, certainly on a worldwide scale.

Would be a different story if that was someone like Rupert Murdoch funding the WHO, as he funds media against vaccines or driving conspiracy, yet was first in line to get a vaccine, hypocrite. Cretins like him are bad for the world, they drive conspiracy to line their own pockets, and lots of people buy it.

I don't think the level of funding in the WHO is equivalent to vote share (not for external funding anyway), although Bill will probably have some sway, albeit I would prefer that rather than in being in his bank.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
For anyone interested - vaccine statistics
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95% of people won't be interested in your crap.

But for anyone interested, let's compare Covid to a vaccine:
~1% of Covid sufferers die, it's more if healthcare gets overwhelmed (1:100 from covid, or 1 in 100,000 from AZ vaccines (at the absolute worst), no numbers on mRNA as it's that good)
~20% get long covid, which could have serious long term effects (1 in 5 from covid, no known long term effects from vaccines (clots covered above))
>40% get "typical covid symptoms", which of course outnumber the ADR's from vaccines by (100:1)
Covid = contagious can overwhelm healthcare, Vaccine = not contagious, can't overwhelm healthcare


I’d say death is probably the worst side effect
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Aye it is, and Covid is at least 1,000 times worse than vaccines and covid is also contagious like mentioned above. The new variants are even more contagious.


Stop being a doyle and man up.
 
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homersapien said:
Absolutely. Just as the excess deaths that happen around the times of large covid outbreaks is the best way of assessing the impact of covid so the deaths that follow vaccinations that exceed the amount you would expect in the population vaccinated is a useful measure of the risk from being vaccinated.

However the twitter thread doesn't try to do that. It quotes large numbers of adverse reaction without attempting to pull out the reactions which leads to more deaths than expected. That would have been genuinely useful.
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75% of the cases (for delta) we're having now are from un-vaccinated too, and the average age of death is reducing. That 25% left (vaccinated to some degree) is including people who have had just one jab too, and some may have only had one jab in the last few weeks and not built up any immunity.

Only 4% of the covid cases are from people who have had two jabs.

That's from PHE, the account below explains a lot of it:
 
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Interesting figures I found today when looking at African covid cases... a year ago they were predicting catastrophe across Africa....
I looked at countries that the WHO have been administering Ivermectin across large portions of the population for years to prevent river blindness...

Started with the Democratic Republic of Congo... 105 million people, 32545 cases and 789 deaths.

Draw your own conclusions. I'm not sure it's down to vaccinations, masks, social distancing etc.

I'm still looking.
 
smogontherhine said:
Interesting figures I found today when looking at African covid cases... a year ago they were predicting catastrophe across Africa....
I looked at countries that the WHO have been administering Ivermectin across large portions of the population for years to prevent river blindness...

Started with the Democratic Republic of Congo... 105 million people, 32545 cases and 789 deaths.

Draw your own conclusions. I'm not sure it's down to vaccinations, masks, social distancing etc.

I'm still looking.
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Someone will be along to discredit and explain why that’s rubbish shortly 👍🏻




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bear66 said:
Do you know how many people are eligible for CDTI in the Democratic Republic of Congo? It was 163,964 in 2015. I haven't managed to find any later figures. Have you got any?

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Don't know the numbers, was starting from this....
www.who.int

Onchocerciasis (river blindness)

Transmitted by the bites of infected blackflies, river blindness causes severe itching and eye lesions, leading to visual impairment and permanent blindness. Almost eliminated in the region of the Americas. #BeatNTDs
www.who.int www.who.int
 
smogontherhine said:
Don't know the numbers, was starting from this....
www.who.int

Onchocerciasis (river blindness)

Transmitted by the bites of infected blackflies, river blindness causes severe itching and eye lesions, leading to visual impairment and permanent blindness. Almost eliminated in the region of the Americas. #BeatNTDs
www.who.int www.who.int
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Just found that it's about 20% of the population in Nigeria which seems one of the bigger coverages.

Sometime there will hopefully be done decent analysis for why there seems to be such large geographical differences.
 
bear66 said:
Just found that it's about 20% of the population in Nigeria which seems one of the bigger coverages.

Sometime there will hopefully be done decent analysis for why there seems to be such large geographical differences.
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I found a figure in a WHO report which said
39 752 882 received a dose in 2018 in the DRC
 
The African continent covid situation is a strange one. Made up of a lot of very poor countries, poor healthcare systems etc. You would think it would be the worst hit continent yet we aren't seeing horror images in the news.
 
Randy said:
The African continent covid situation is a strange one. Made up of a lot of very poor countries, poor healthcare systems etc. You would think it would be the worst hit continent yet we aren't seeing horror images in the news.
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There definitely appears to be a correlation between sub-Saharan Africa and low covid... not apparent in other countries such as South Africa or Egypt for example.
It could be a young population, it could be sun exposure (vitamin D) but it's incredible to me how at the start of the pandemic it was going to be a disaster according to scientists and since it has been silence.

Interesting that the DRC sent back millions of covid vaccines...
www.devex.com

Devex Newswire: Congo gives back its COVID-19 vaccines

In today's edition: The Democratic Republic of Congo is returning 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to COVAX, U.S. aid to Venezuela is hindered by politics, and U.K. aid cuts hit UNAIDS.
www.devex.com www.devex.com

Something not being reported here. Surely someone like the WHO would want to know ?
 
smogontherhine said:
There definitely appears to be a correlation between sub-Saharan Africa and low covid... not apparent in other countries such as South Africa or Egypt for example.
It could be a young population, it could be sun exposure (vitamin D) but it's incredible to me how at the start of the pandemic it was going to be a disaster according to scientists and since it has been silence.

Interesting that the DRC sent back millions of covid vaccines...
www.devex.com

Devex Newswire: Congo gives back its COVID-19 vaccines

In today's edition: The Democratic Republic of Congo is returning 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to COVAX, U.S. aid to Venezuela is hindered by politics, and U.K. aid cuts hit UNAIDS.
www.devex.com www.devex.com

Something not being reported here. Surely someone like the WHO would want to know ?
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There is a Sky report that tries to untangle possibilities. It's not a technical paper but it's an interesting read.
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Randy said:
Variant free isn't it?
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No, it's not, it's like >90% variants, but luckily they don't have the (seemingly) worst one, as they don't have BJ flying variants in to secure trade deals.

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covid.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov

B.1.1.7 is Alpha/ Kent variant
 
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