Wow. Latest Hartlepool polling...

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Whilst I love to think that you're right about policies we saw some excellent policies rejected at the last election.
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Confirmed by inglebys earlier post, free broadband, yet thousands of those Labour voters in hartlepool switched to the brexit party.
Labour only hung on because of the brexit party standing .
 
BoroMart said:
I really don't think that jam believes 'no one cares about policy', it's more that vast swathes of the working classes don't care about policy, they treat this like x-factor, soundbites, image, and backstory is what about 25% of the electorate are bothered about. Another circa 25% vote on family allegiance/history, and perception of what parties stand for i.e. Tory = affluence and a good economy....truth is very different to perception of course.
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Correct mart, the voters only don't care because they don't believe they will happen.
For many floating voters, including those that left Labour in 2019 they are only interested in giving the remainer a bloody nose.
Labour stood on good polices in 2019 including that free broadband that you stated was so popular and lost 15% of their vote.
The new brexit party took over 10,000 votes, 2/3 of the total Labour vote.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
also in danger of losing control of ... Durham councils for the first time in half a century'
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Durham County Council was a slim Labour majority in 2008 & iirc only needed a swing of 5 councillors to go to 'No overall control'.

I think national politics did have a role to play in the next election, as by then the Lib Dems jumped into bed with the Cons in the coalition government & at the next local elections in 2013 were wiped out. They lost 2/3s of their councillors & Cons 1/2, so Labour's majority went from under 10 to 60.

Labour has been pegged back since but mostly from local "parties"/independents rather than national ones. A work colleague got elected ousting a senior Labour councillor & member of cabinet based entirely on a targeted facebook campaign on very local issues, no door knocking or leafleting, while the councillor was campaigning in traditional fashion & talking about county-wide regeneration projects.

In the years since the perceived dislocation from local issues has widened. Labour is seen as targeting investment on Durham City, leaving out the former pit villages and generally ignoring the wishes of the local population. I'd be massively surprised if another party got enough seats to control Durham but wouldn't be shocked at all to see it in no overall control with a restoration in Lib Dem/Con votes and growth in independents.
 
Hartlepool is a very strange constituency. To my knowledge, it's the only place to have both hung and elected a monkey. Even more bafflingly, they repeatedly returned Mandelson as an MP. I think a candidate running on a 'Hang Mandelson' ticket would stand a very good chance.
 
jam69 said:
Confirmed by inglebys earlier post, free broadband, yet thousands of those Labour voters in hartlepool switched to the brexit party.
Labour only hung on because of the brexit party standing .
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Because Brexit was not done, because people like you would not accept the result.

We've got the Tories nationalising the local airport and pumping money into the free port, both very popular POLICIES.

What are Labour offering?
 
InglebyUTB said:
Because Brexit was not done, because people like you would not accept the result.
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what on earth does that even mean?! Brexit couldn't be done when brexiters after the result couldn't even agree between themselves what it meant, no other reason. Talk about rewriting history
 
InglebyUTB said:
We've got the Tories nationalising the local airport and pumping money into the free port, both very popular POLICIES.
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Nationalising the airport but not nationalising railways is daft. Freeport, lets just wait and see if that actually gives the value stated, it's a pipe dream until it happens.
 
BoroMart said:
what on earth does that even mean?! Brexit couldn't be done when brexiters after the result couldn't even agree between themselves what it meant, no other reason. Talk about rewriting history
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Yes but as oppose to letting them fight it out on that or fighting it on the terms that Brexit was going to happen but we needed the best possible version of it, people like Starmer were fighting for a second referendum which destroyed trust in seats like Hartlepool.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Yes but as oppose to letting them fight it out on that or fighting it on the terms that Brexit was going to happen but we needed the best possible version of it, people like Starmer were fighting for a second referendum which destroyed trust in seats like Hartlepool.
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A second referendum was a great idea since leave never stated what the hell it actually was that people were voting for. It would have clarified a lot, but the shouty flagshaggers stole democracy
 
BoroMart said:
A second referendum was a great idea since leave never stated what the hell it actually was that people were voting for. It would have clarified a lot, but the shouty flagshaggers stole democracy
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Do you mean the £350m a week being pumped into the NHS every week instead of being given to Johnny Foreigner wasn't true? 😮😮
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Do you mean the £350m a week being pumped into the NHS every week instead of being given to Johnny Foreigner wasn't true? 😮😮
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Well I was on about the "nobody is talking about leaving the single market", but yes, why not :ROFLMAO: 350mill/week yet here we are no pay rise for the NHS who have risked and lost lives over the last 15 months. What possess people to vote Tory? Can't get my head around it, you have to have had an ethics removal to put a cross next to them.
 
BoroMart said:
A second referendum was a great idea since leave never stated what the hell it actually was that people were voting for. It would have clarified a lot, but the shouty flagshaggers stole democracy
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I personally would have liked one. But that isn't the point.

People in seats like Hartlepool were told by Labour they would respect the referendum result.

They didn't. These people feel lied to and don't trust Labour as a result.
 
InglebyUTB said:
Because Brexit was not done, because people like you would not accept the result.

We've got the Tories nationalising the local airport and pumping money into the free port, both very popular POLICIES.

What are Labour offering?
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You struggling to read, I accepted brexit from day one, the problem is many brexiters seem to be struggling to move on
 
InglebyUTB said:
I personally would have liked one. But that isn't the point.

People in seats like Hartlepool were told by Labour they would respect the referendum result.

They didn't. These people feel lied to and don't trust Labour as a result.
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In what way didn't they respect the referendum result? They fought for keeping the single market access, which, as already stated, vote leave had repeatedly stated they would keep. If anything it was the Tory rightwing hard brexiteers that didn't respect the referendum by stealing the votes of people that were told expected, and were not given single market access, 350mill for the NHS every week, better trade deals around the world etc.

The best way to understand the mess that was brexit is to go back to that night of indicative votes, where the Tory majority couldn't muster a consensus on what brexit meant. It was frankly the most embarrassing moment for the government for me, it showed there was no consensus on what it meant, and that peoples votes were therefore bound to misinterpretation, misuse, and democracy had failed. The Labour and Lib Dems, made clear what their consensus was in those votes by the way....single market access could be a tolerated brexit. This is a Tory created mess, a Tory vote theft, a Tory abuse of democracy, the fact that people in Hartlepool can't see that is purely an indication of their lack of insight, not a slur on Labour, Lib Dem, SNP or anyone else.
 
BoroMart said:
In what way didn't they respect the referendum result? They fought for keeping the single market access, which, as already stated, vote leave had repeatedly stated they would keep. If anything it was the Tory rightwing hard brexiteers that didn't respect the referendum by stealing the votes of people that were told expected, and were not given single market access, 350mill for the NHS every week, better trade deals around the world etc.

The best way to understand the mess that was brexit is to go back to that night of indicative votes, where the Tory majority couldn't muster a consensus on what brexit meant. It was frankly the most embarrassing moment for the government for me, it showed there was no consensus on what it meant, and that peoples votes were therefore bound to misinterpretation, misuse, and democracy had failed. The Labour and Lib Dems, made clear what their consensus was in those votes by the way....single market access could be a tolerated brexit. This is a Tory created mess, a Tory vote theft, a Tory abuse of democracy, the fact that people in Hartlepool can't see that is purely an indication of their lack of insight, not a slur on Labour, Lib Dem, SNP or anyone else.
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spot on!!
 
newusername said:
Mortimer is farmer from Thirsk c.30 miles away and has spent more time in the Cayman Islands than Hartlepool, which in her own words she'd hardly visited before being selected as the Conservative Party candidate.
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Exchange The Cayman Islands to France & Hartlepool to Middlesbrough. Change the surname of candidate and what have you got? Hypocrisy of the highest order, that's what.
 
jam69 said:
You struggling to read, I accepted brexit from day one, the problem is many brexiters seem to be struggling to move on
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So you say, then dispute the numbers who voted for it, highlight those who did not vote, etc.

Here is one for you.

If policy is irrelevant and all that matters is people's previous support or opposition to Brexit (as you previously stated), then why did Labour present a seat with a massive Brexit majority with a short list of one candidate who is well known for losing his seat due to his support for Remain and a People's Vote?
 
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