Randy
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This is exactly it.
All Labour have done in the past 12 months is agree with everything the Tories have put forward. Either voting with or abstaining (which is basically the same thing given the Tory majority).
This is exactly it.
This is exactly it.
All Labour have done in the past 12 months is agree with everything the Tories have put forward. Either voting with or abstaining (which is basically the same thing given the Tory majority).
No they haven't.
The Corbyn fan boys have had it in for Starmer from day one though. Much like the Blairites when Corbyn was leader, it seems they'd rather have a corrupt, inept, borderline evil Tory government in charge than the "wrong type" of Labour government.
Without mentioning the Tories, can you tell us what Kier Starmer stands for?
If he was elected tomorrow, what policies would we expect him to implement?
He's not a political person. He has no beliefs that he dare reveal.Ok, so Starmer isn't doing very well at the moment, so who would be a better alternative for Labour. Am not sure? Perhaps the party is at an existential crisis, but there is still an anti-tory majority in this country, need to find a way to mobilise that?
1) No increases to corporation tax
2) No rules for undercover cops
3) and most importantly a new type of savings bond for everyone to invest their extra dosh in.
Labour haven't really slid. a year ago there was a 20% gap, favouring the Tories, now it's reduced to 13%. Starmer was clawing that back, and had it level around Christmas, largely because of tories messing up covid and obvious brexit issues, so he was putting pressure on then, when the tories were screwing up.Ridiculous this. And not backed up by the polls.
Labour were neck and neck at the end of last summer - how was that possible if the Labour left were against him from the start? It's not that the Corbyn "fan boys" have had it in for Starmer from day one, it's that Starmer's gone out of his way to pick fights with them repeatedly over the last year and over time it's predictably pushing people away. The first few Starmer attacks - covering up the leaked report, sacking RLB - he mostly got away with. The latter ones - abstaining on the spy cops bill, booting Corbyn out the party - are the straws that have broke the camels back and are the events that coincide with Labours slide in the polls over the last 6 months.
I agree, they have only agreed with the medical advice rather than Johnson.No they haven't.
Ridiculous this. And not backed up by the polls.
Labour were neck and neck at the end of last summer - how was that possible if the Labour left were against him from the start? It's not that the Corbyn "fan boys" have had it in for Starmer from day one, it's that Starmer's gone out of his way to pick fights with them repeatedly over the last year and over time it's predictably pushing people away. The first few Starmer attacks - covering up the leaked report, sacking RLB - he mostly got away with. The latter ones - abstaining on the spy cops bill, booting Corbyn out the party - are the straws that have broke the camels back and are the events that coincide with Labours slide in the polls over the last 6 months.
It just ***** me off (as it did when it happened with Corbyn) because all the infighting just plays into the Tory's hands.
So nothing to do with the vaccine roll out and all to do with abstaining against a bill your average bloke probably knew little about and if he did would surely hold it against the party proposing the bill even more than the party abstaining
Labour voters moving to Greens and Lib Dems is pretty pointless when it comes to electing a government in our first past the post system, but reasonable in the current climate of more nuanced local elections?Fair enough but IMO Starmer's had nothing like the treatment Corbyn's Labour had. To the point I'm really questioning what the point of the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs within the Labour Party is. None of them stick their neck out to criticise Starmer failing to stick by his leadership pledges.
Look at the data. It's Labour voters moving to the Lib Dems, Greens, or just to don't know/abstain. Why would that be a response to the vaccines?