When did Boris become the messiah

bear66 said:
Perhaps all the Tory MPs in tears at the clap for Boris had something to do with it.
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The "amusing" thing about that was that it was obviously orchestrated by Conservative HQ because a few members forgot to change the text of their tweets and posted the exact same (supposedely) impromptu tweet

"“I opened my front door to the sound of my amazing neighbours whistling, cheering and shouting, ‘come on Boris.’ " etc.

Pitiful attempt to politicise the PM's illness and hijack the response of people to the NHS and other essential workers in this crisis.
 
RandySavage said:
Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

Bring a lockdown in earlier and sudden thus probably causing mass riots and looting and more people being unemployed now because the job retention scheme wouldn't have been ready or possibly even thought of.

Why do people still think this lockdown is on place to fight the virus? It was never the case and no government official ever said so. Lockdown is to slow down the spread of the virus.
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It's not really hindsight though is it, as this was all known with relative accuracy. We're on the exact same path as others, except we're delayed behind them and have more notice. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to listen to the WHO, do the same as the countries doing well, that had been in situations like this before, and listen to those experienced (that were all saying, test, isolate, trace, lockdown etc).
Nobody in the world was saying keep all the pubs and shops open, go for the herd immunity option, you will all be fine. They had people stood on doors, checking peoples temperature before they went into areas the disease could spread.

Riots and looting? From whom and why? Nobody is saying send the police to the other side of the world, and we do have an army, which likely wouldn't have been necessary, like it wasn't necessary in the other civilised places that locked down, traced and tested early.
It would have just been the same as it was, just two weeks earlier, no bog roll and no pasta. This could have been stopped also if the supermarkets had put actions in place, that they would have noticed within a day.

The job retention scheme was obviously a quick idea that hadn't been finalised. Other countries carried out similar measures and if we had locked down earlier we could have been out of it earlier, and certainly with less deaths.

Lockdown reduces the R number, which is to slow the spread, which is the number one way to fight or stop a virus and massively reduces the death toll. The other option being testing everyone and shooting people that have it on the spot.
 
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you have read the title of the thread and then my post (all of it) properly presumably Muttley?
 
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Zoophonic said:
Exactly Wev . Saying we were caught off guard is total nonsense. We weren’t off guard when we allowed 4 days of Cheltenham to go ahead or allow 5000 Athletico Madrid fans into Liverpool to help the infection cases along.
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But these people chose to go to Cheltenham even after the advice to avoid large gatherings.

Why this sudden reliance on the government holding people's hands?
 
I don’t think there can be much doubt it’s all a bit of a mess from the NHS clearly being under prepared and the PM flouting all his own rules on virus avoidance to the point he gets such a dose that he ends up in intensive care.

Now is maybe not the time to get stuck into the Tories on the shambles they are making of Covid 19, but that time will come.

I thought the 5pm panel last night looked nervous and uncertain, the only thing reported about it was Rashi’s rather lame ‘he’s sat up in bed’ comment.
 
RandySavage said:
But these people chose to go to Cheltenham even after the advice to avoid large gatherings.

Why this sudden reliance on the government holding people's hands?
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What a ridiculous statement.

Because the government had the power to do it, and could have taken the decision out of the idiot public's hands, seeing as a large percentage of the population don't even know what's good for their own health on a very basic level.

People are thick, and not specialists in virus/ disease, don't give them the option.
 
RandySavage said:
But these people chose to go to Cheltenham even after the advice to avoid large gatherings.

Why this sudden reliance on the government holding people's hands?
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The Government did not advise them not to go Sorry. The large gatherings advice came after Cheltenham.

Shouldn’t need to have made the decision. People are picnicking in parks. That’s how stupid some of the public can be.
 
The fact is all the opposition benches are saying is we want more of everything, something seen as opportunist and also not popular anyway.

That mixed in with his illness makes him more human in the eyes of everyone. I feel sympathy for him yet didn't vote for him nor like him prior to this emergency.

If labour were asking serious questions of the efficacy of the government policy than maybe people would have a different opinion.

I'm sure Keir will be right on it.. oh wait. I don't expect this to be a popular message but it's a truthful one, if all labours opposition is 'we need more lockdown' which it is... Then they will gain no support from many people who are absolutely struggling.
 
Alvez_48 said:
The fact is all the opposition benches are saying is we want more of everything, something seen as opportunist and also not popular anyway.

That mixed in with his illness makes him more human in the eyes of everyone. I feel sympathy for him yet didn't vote for him nor like him prior to this emergency.

If labour were asking serious questions of the efficacy of the government policy than maybe people would have a different opinion.

I'm sure Keir will be right on it.. oh wait. I don't expect this to be a popular message but it's a truthful one, if all labours opposition is 'we need more lockdown' which it is... Then they will gain no support from many people who are absolutely struggling.
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In fairness to Starmer this is not the moment to lay into a government which is looking more fragile in its management of the virus by the day.
 
Muttley said:
Yes, that's a hyperbolic statement to question the elevation of the importance of Johnson. Nobody actually called him "Messiah"

But you know that
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you know exactly what i'm saying Muttley, no need to be so deliberately obtuse

i can explain it to you, but i cant understand it for you
 
HolgateCorner said:
In fairness to Starmer this is not the moment to lay into a government which is looking more fragile in its management of the virus by the day.
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Maybe not... But I keep hearing how he's a nuanced, clever politician.

There's a way of asking questions like 'Is focusing on protecting the most vulnerable and using the temporary hospitals to house covid patients so hospitals can treat other patients, whilst allowing some functions to come back, to allow law abiding citizens to visit familes and friends to attempt to save the economy a viable option?' without laying into the government...

The way I phrase it is poor but then I'm not leader of the opposition.

You could also ask questions of the media and it's narrative, to clarify how statistics are garnered and presented in the media and how unhelpful that is.... They just simply won't.

Anyway this is about Boris.. he's not the Messiah he's an ill man who I wish a speedy recovery and that's it.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Maybe not... But I keep hearing how he's a nuanced, clever politician.

There's a way of asking questions like 'Is focusing on protecting the most vulnerable and using the temporary hospitals to house covid patients so hospitals can treat other patients, whilst allowing some functions to come back, to allow law abiding citizens to visit familes and friends to attempt to save the economy a viable option?' without laying into the government...

The way I phrase it is poor but then I'm not leader of the opposition.

You could also ask questions of the media and it's narrative, to clarify how statistics are garnered and presented in the media and how unhelpful that is.... They just simply won't.

Anyway this is about Boris.. he's not the Messiah he's an ill man who I wish a speedy recovery and that's it.
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This is a political mess of the highest order though, even some stalwart backers of the Tories in the mainstream media have turned savagely on the government. They have a partial lockdown which is not being either effective so far in slowing the virus or protecting the economy. We have the worst of both worlds and there will be a day of reckoning.

If Labour start kicking off then it will become Starmers fault for not helping in the same way they blamed Corbyn for the Tory Party not voting Brexit through under Theresa May. They are experts at it. Labour should keep quiet just now.
 
Didn’t Jesus walk amongst the sick and cure them by the laying on of hands? Boris just cut funding to the NHS and went to a research facility and shook hands. Jesus was crucified for our sins and Boris in comparison should get the same metaphorically, when he recovers, from the public.
 
They Govt are bound to want to write the script, people will equate the Boris Tories to Brexit and C19 and all its associated problems it has divided the nation in one aspect with Brexit and in another in the lack of immediate action which has caused deaths the may have been avoided.

The least Boris and the Tories can do is write all the debt accumulated off and we can pay for it over 50 years like the war debt paid to the Americans.
 
Zoophonic said:
The Government did not advise them not to go Sorry. The large gatherings advice came after Cheltenham.

Shouldn’t need to have made the decision. People are picnicking in parks. That’s how stupid some of the public can be.
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So tell me why it's the government's fault that people are stupid?

And I'll say again I'm not a fan of Tory governments but people are looking for blame on the wrong places
 
I paraphrase, but on the one hand you've got people saying "he should have locked down earlier" (I'll ignore the fact the UK isn't actually locked down, and a significant %age are ignoring what you have got, including high profile sportsmen, politicians, personalities etc) and on the other hand "this lockdown is going to go on too long, I need my exercise, there'll be mental health / domestic violence issues"

I agree with both, but you can't have both - which is it to be ?
 
Take Johnson away and you have a Tory party with the popularity of Theresa May's.

IMHO a significant proportion of those who switched from Labour to Tory in December 2019 did so because of Boris, without him you have a rudderless ship led by clowns like Raab. He's a marmite character, but for everyone who thinks he's a rogue and a liar there are more that see good old Boris.
 
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