Borobuddah
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If Boris is, as SKY reports, mentally able to take decisions and easily accessible, what’s he doing in an ICU bed?
When did Boris become the messiah
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Erm, he could have locked down a week or two earlier, with that extra notice we had, you know, what could have at least halved the death toll. Could have stopped Cheltenham, could have shut the pubs without practically advertising the last night bender. Could be dishing out fines of a months wages, rather than £60.
But no, let's let it run on a bit, so we can max out the occupation of those NHS beds, you know, for the "herd immunity" that everyone in the world was saying will be a big mistake.
jam69
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theres lots he/the government could have done differently, saying we will take it on the chin, shaking hands with people infected with CV, then bragging about it, allowing people returning from italy for example into the country without testing, allowing 3000 Spanish football supporters into the country, coming from one of the most infected cities in europe.
ignoring reports from a exercise carried out by the NHS in how we would cope with a pandemic stating we were woefully under prepared.
herd immunity anyone?
lying about contact with supermarkets, lying about a EU led consortium to buy ventilators not once not twice but three times.
i could go on, any government would have made mistakes in a situation like this but some of those were just plain stupidity, arrogance or outright contempt for the general public
bear66
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The countries that have suffered the least with this didn't use border closures to control the disease. They were organised for a pandemic by test, isolate, track, isolate. The Lancet were publicising the unknown virus that was causing pneumonia in December. Some countries reacted, others didn't.
Muttley
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1. Lockdown - much earlier
2. Testing
3. Contact tracing
4. Strict quarantine following WHO guidelines
We knew this was coming, lockdown was predicted and expected at least a week before it was implemented when Johnson was carousing on daytime telly telling us to "take it on the chin". He dithered, he bumbled he was indecisive when we needed leadership. He failed.
Randy
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Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?
Bring a lockdown in earlier and sudden thus probably causing mass riots and looting and more people being unemployed now because the job retention scheme wouldn't have been ready or possibly even thought of.
Why do people still think this lockdown is on place to fight the virus? It was never the case and no government official ever said so. Lockdown is to slow down the spread of the virus.
FartingGnome
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My missus says "Yeah"
As I've said before, but bears repeating, she was an ICU sister for 30 years.
Muttley
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Utter bollox.
bear66
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Too many warnings to say 'hindsight'.
This lockdown is in place because we were not prepared (2017 to save money) and we did nothing to get ahead of 'the game' at any point from December
uncle_rico
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Look, we get it, people hate the Tories, I'm not their biggest fan either, but they were far more electable than new new Labour. Regardless of the situation people will always find fault, and that's in any walk of life. But if you seriously think a party (Labour) who when last in power completely destroyed the UK economy and lost the last 3 general elections, the most recent with the worst ever result, would have handled the current situation any better then you are either naïve, stupid, or both.
SmallTown
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Not sure what your definition of "hindsight" is but watching a disease roll in from the far east, affecting countries like Italy and Spain and even Germany before us and STILL failing to react doesn't seem like hindsight to me.
bear66
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So the Tories can be incompetent to the point of being culpable because Labour (based on no evidence) would have been no better?
Muttley
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Except that isn't true is it? There was a GLOBAL financial crisis caused principally by the USA. In actual fact the actions of Gordon Brown pretty much saved the economy. You need to accept that you, in voting for this shambles, bear some responisibility for the incompetence of this Government.
FartingGnome
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Congratulations Rico, if I were you I'd stop and think before you post. Pretty desperate (the crash was Labour's fault, nothing to do with the bankers, then, and Labour would have been worse). 0/10. If I could give you a negative mark I would. A big negative mark.
SmallTown
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Whataboutery level 8
I've seen/read/heard a fair bit from people who do not like Boris saying things such as the title of this thread: "since when did Boris become the Messiah?", however i haven't heard/seen/read anyone who does like Boris actually make the statement "Boris is the Messiah". it seems like fairly typical inflammatory language used to attack someone they don't like, but it doesn't appears to have any basis in fact
just think about that for a moment
for the record (if anyone feels it is relevant to my view as above), i did not vote Tory, nor do i wish Boris anything but a full and speedy recovery
just think about that for a moment
for the record (if anyone feels it is relevant to my view as above), i did not vote Tory, nor do i wish Boris anything but a full and speedy recovery
Muttley
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We're not judging Labour and what they may or may not have done, this is about the inaction in the face of an obvious threat to the people of this country.
Johnson failed. The worst part of that is that is that what he SHOULD have done was apparent was obvious at the time. He stuck his head in the sand. He should be held to account for his gross incompetence.
Err nobody said they had. What are you talking about?