Prince Charles

Abel Tasman said:
I dont really care who he was replying to to justify his outrage by an outcome of life or death isnt a great line to take.
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it was a comment about how the royals have persistently had their own rules in life, he may be dying, he may not. He's had long spells in hospital several times. Not that long ago after he smashed into a a young mother and her baby daughter and nearly killed them, due to his stubborn refusal to stop driving when he wasn't capable. I think he was in last year for a week with a heavy cold too.
 
Abel Tasman said:
I dont really care who he was replying to to justify his outrage by an outcome of life or death isnt a great line to take.
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Mate, I'm saying twitter is so often full of bollox, so wait and see if it's actually real or yet another piece of bollox. If that's distasteful, then you might want to get your taste buds checked out.
 
Well Dribble you got what you wanted ( a bit of fmttm infamy ) . Hope youre feeling good . I’m certainly not a royalist but give the guy a break as he’s potentially giving his dad a last visit .

What’s more he’s got a load of cameras clicking away at him and swarms of people debating it ( like us ) at least we wouldn’t have to suffer that intrusion at what is a heartbreaking personal event .
now where’s the ignore button
 
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Englishteacher said:
This news story has has opened up a lot of pain for me. Please allow to go off on a tangent to share my story.

My dad died of pneumonia in North Tees in May on a non-Covid ward. He was in hospital for the last month of his life but I wasn’t allowed in to see him. I phoned the ward every day to ask about him but sometimes I’d be on hold for over an hour before someone on the ward bothered to answer the phone to give me an update. They claimed they were extremely busy and had heavy-duty surgical masks on because of Covid but, from what I learned later, it was actually quieter than usual on the ward and none of the staff were wearing anything except a standard face mask. Just trying to organise for a nurse on the ward to switch on the TV for my dad or to charge his mobile phone took several attempts. One of the nurses even made sarcastic comments to my dad about the fuss I was making about trying to get his TV to work so he had some form of stimulation to keep his mind going. I came to the conclusion that the nurses on that specific ward at North Tees who were assigned to looking after my dad in his final days did not give a damn about his mental welfare. They may have changed the drip every few hours and done everything in accordance with the routine regulations but in terms of going that extra mile to support patients at a time when visitors were not allowed, there appeared to be nothing. Was it naive of me to think the nurses might have some time to talk to the patients at a time when visitors were not permitted?

From distressing phone calls, it was clear he was really struggling to breathe for the last days of his life but I was not permitted to go in.

I was really worried on the Sunday night but got fobbed off by his nurse who said he was making a slow recovery. I then got a call one Monday morning to say he was in the end-of-life stage and I could go in but by the time I had made it in to the hospital he had already passed away - completely alone. There must have been a nurse on duty during the night who could have noticed he was struggling and got the call to me quicker.

I don’t really have a point to this story other than I think anyone who is seriously ill in hospital should be allowed a visitor. We make an assumption the doctors and nurses are taking good care of our loved ones but without seeing it for ourselves we can never be sure when the patient is too weak to speak up for themselves.

While there are many tens of thousands of heroic nurses and doctors and I am sure many of them work at North Tees, there are also a small number (like there are in any job) who, when given the opportunity and without the scrutiny from visitors asking critical questions about the welfare of their loved ones to hold them to account, will do the bare minimum.
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Stirring account Englishteacher that must have taken great strength to relay , and my thoughts are very much with you and your family .
I feel there’s very little if anything can be added to that post . Take care buddy ( there isn’t a hug smiley ) x
 
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BoroMart said:
Mate, I'm saying twitter is so often full of bollox, so wait and see if it's actually real or yet another piece of bollox. If that's distasteful, then you might want to get your taste buds checked out.
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Your “supposition” has nothing to do with Twitter really and you know it but I’ll leave it there as I have obviously touched a deep nerve when it comes to the Royal Family with you pal.
 
Englishteacher said:
This news story has opened up a lot of pain for me. Please allow me to go off on a tangent to share my story.

My dad died of pneumonia in North Tees in May on a non-Covid ward. He was in hospital for the last month of his life but I wasn’t allowed in to see him. I phoned the ward every day to ask about him but sometimes I’d be on hold for over an hour before someone on the ward bothered to answer the phone to give me an update. They claimed they were extremely busy and had heavy-duty surgical masks on because of Covid but, from what I learned later, it was actually quieter than usual on the ward and none of the staff were wearing anything except a standard face mask. Just trying to organise for a nurse on the ward to switch on the TV for my dad or to charge his mobile phone took several attempts. One of the nurses even made sarcastic comments to my dad about the fuss I was making about trying to get his TV to work so he had some form of stimulation to keep his mind going. I came to the conclusion that the nurses on that specific ward at North Tees who were assigned to looking after my dad in his final days did not give a damn about his mental welfare. They may have changed the drip every few hours and done everything in accordance with the routine regulations but in terms of going that extra mile to support patients at a time when visitors were not allowed, there appeared to be nothing. Was it naive of me to think the nurses might have some time to talk to the patients at a time when visitors were not permitted?

From distressing phone calls, it was clear he was really struggling to breathe for the last days of his life but I was not permitted to go in.

I was really worried on the Sunday night but got fobbed off by his nurse who said he was making a slow recovery. I then got a call one Monday morning to say he was in the end-of-life stage and I could go in but by the time I had made it in to the hospital he had already passed away - completely alone. There must have been a nurse on duty during the night who could have noticed he was struggling and got the call to me quicker.

I don’t really have a point to this story other than I think anyone who is seriously ill in hospital should be allowed a visitor. We make an assumption the doctors and nurses are taking good care of our loved ones but without seeing it for ourselves we can never be sure when the patient is too weak to speak up for themselves.

While there are many tens of thousands of heroic nurses and doctors and I am sure many of them work at North Tees, there are also a small number (like there are in any job) who, when given the opportunity and without the scrutiny from visitors asking critical questions about the welfare of their loved ones to hold them to account, will do the bare minimum.
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I had a long drawn out Horrible loss of my owld feller too, now I see it as lucky it was in 2019, lucky compared to now, because I could visit albeit twice a day for months but also because I didn’t have to see him struggle through a covid world and all that would have entailed.

It wasn’t perfect, the night my mum died a few hours later they shuffled him from one hospital to another because they were short of bags of saline (I’d have driven or paid to have driven what they needed to give the poor guy a break - he was dying) but overall the staff were good. I feel your frustration and know that love for a parent.

To return to the point of the thread, regardless of your opinion of the monarchy and their funding you’d give them the humanity of visiting their ancient relatives in these circumstances. I’d travel and visit mine, as I would expect many others would if they could.
 
Abel Tasman said:
Your “supposition” has nothing to do with Twitter really and you know it but I’ll leave it there as I have obviously touched a deep nerve when it comes to the Royal Family with you pal.
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No mate, it's everything to do with twitter. He might be near the end or it could be another of those twitter false alarms, lets wait and see. Although I'm fine for you to call out that I have a problem with the Royals, Princes and Queens are for fairy books they're not supposed to be part of modern real life.
 
BoroMart said:
No mate, it's everything to do with twitter. He might be near the end or it could be another of those twitter false alarms, lets wait and see. Although I'm fine for you to call out that I have a problem with the Royals, Princes and Queens are for fairy books they're not supposed to be part of modern real life.
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The problem here is that you’ve let your ideology overtake your humanity.
 
This is just an observation.

I couldn’t give a toss about Charles visiting his father in hospital if I’m being honest. Can’t get upset about it. Son visiting father isn’t going to spread covid. I went to see my mother earlier (we both live alone)

sometimes this message board can be a helpful and extremely caring community. I know that from experience.

sometimes it just becomes a cesspit.

#utb
 
More important things going on in ordinary peoples lives than Charlie`s Travels:
Lets stick with holding the Government to account, protecting jobs and supporting the most vulnerable around us first.

Time for a cup of strong T (y)
 
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BoroMart is normally an excellent poster with reasoned views, I actually share his views on the Royal Family to be fair.
On this occasion I would say they are inappropriate if as looks likely the old boy is staring the Grim Reaper in the face
 
BoroMart said:
Live and let live? If they were an innocuous family that hadn't stolen from the people, then yeah, live and let live, but that isn't the truth.

I wish him no direct ill, but he has lived very long and very well funded life, of our collective wealth. That wealth didn't come from nowhere, it's from the public coffers, and thus has deprived other services of income. So sympathy is in short supply when I think how many lives would have been saved by funding the NHS instead of funding their lavish lifestyle, allowing them to rewrite laws to protect their wealth, to pass wealth through their family without inheritance tax, to own land that should belong to the state and make money off it, rather than funding life saving services. On a basic human to human level, yes his dad is very ill, but he's had a great life, thanks to you and I. Like I said, I don't directly wish him ill, but I'd rather the tax money he has soaked up over 73 years was distributed to support everyone. If that offends anyone, sorry, but that's how I feel.
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He has been responsible for changing many lives for the better. The Duke of Edinburgh award is a fantastic programme.
 
You’re normally a decent poster Boromart . Perhaps someone or something upended you yesterday but I’d deffo take a couple of hours , few deep breathes then return ( come on the Boro won in full red kits )
 
My wife was in hospital for 15 days, last Sunday I was allowed in to visit her for an hour, it was such a relief to see her and to hold her hand, even though she was heavily sedated, it was a chance to talk. Things were touch and go, they had given her a DNR notice, her heart was too weak to cope with resuscitation.

Fortunately she pulled through and is back home. I’m not a royal or a celebrity, but I was allowed in, it’s not one rule for them, it really isn’t.
 
EI_Owen said:
My wife was in hospital for 15 days, last Sunday I was allowed in to visit her for an hour, it was such a relief to see her and to hold her hand, even though she was heavily sedated, it was a chance to talk. Things were touch and go, they had given her a DNR notice, her heart was too weak to cope with resuscitation.

Fortunately she pulled through and is back home. I’m not a royal or a celebrity, but I was allowed in, it’s not one rule for them, it really isn’t.
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Glad she's ok. Bet that was horrendous; have read the thread over the past day and I'm all for getting rid of the monarchy but I'd like to think whoever you were that the Police and Hospital would show compassion to let you spend the last moments of your family members life with them.
 
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