Mowbray - You're a WEASEL

BoroMart said:
He made a conscious decision to lunge studs showing with his foot around 6 foot in the air in the box. He probably didn't mean to 'do' Fry (I'll wait until I've seen a bit more of his career before deciding if he is a Lineker or a Barton), he might have meant to intimidate him and make Fry pull out of the challenge, or he may just have made a ridiculously daft decision to dangerously lunge for a ball he wasn't going to get. It really doesn't matter, in footballing terms it is the kind of mistake that any defender needs to remove from their game and any player would be angry if they were on the end of it. Pretending it didn't happen doesn't teach the lad anything.
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Of course it isn't a conscious decision 😂
 
TeaCider said:
Haven't seen it, but Warnock will have been in the wrong if he downplayed it.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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look up the challenge, then look up warnocks reaction (who wasn't even sheff united manager then btw)

Managers defend players and x-players, sometimes in pretty indefensible circumstances too. Our own manager has tried to defend one of the worst incidents I've seen on a football pitch.

I still like warnock as our manager and I still like mowbray as a bloke who done a lot for our football club.

It was a bad challenge, the ref has had a nightmare, mogga hasn't covered himself in glory. I'm more worried at our complete inability to keep clean sheets, and the difficulty we have scoring goals at the other end than I am what mogga comes out and says after a game.
 
GazC_MFC said:
If fry hadn’t put his head down and the foot went into his chest there wouldn’t be all these threads.

foots are going at the height every week. They should be punished for dangerous play. People are seeing the end result and getting their knickers in a twist
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Whilst I agree that some of the childish responses don't help, I do think the foot was very high and higher than chest height - Fry stooped but not by much and any player raising their foot that high knows there's a big risk of connecting with another players head, especially in the box.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Of course it isn't a conscious decision 😂
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There was a time when Joey Barton was just some kid who get reds and yellows and it was just put down to exuberance and inexperience. I'll wait and see with this lad, I don't think it was on purpose, I think he might have been trying to intimidate Fry from heading the ball. I have seen 15 year olds do that before.
 
brain_in_a_jar said:
I'm more worried at our complete inability to keep clean sheets, and the difficulty we have scoring goals at the other end than I am what mogga comes out and says after a game.
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It's definitely an issue but yesterday can easily be explained by the fact we lost our main defender to a head injury and our main right back was missing.
Spence and Wood did not perform well as stand ins.
 
Firstly, it was a penalty and a red card. I can't believe there are people saying it wasn't a red. As others have said, it was the very definition of dangerous play. I don't think he meant to cut Fry's eye open, obviously, but that doesn't matter. Dangerous play is dangerous play, intentional or otherwise.

As for Mogga's comments, some of them I would expect from an opposition manager looking after his team but the bit that stood out for me was him saying "this kid" instead of using Fry's name. It seems like a very small thing but it really stood out. I don't expect him to castigate anyone in public but his comments were poor really.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Whilst I agree that some of the childish responses don't help, I do think the foot was very high and higher than chest height - Fry stooped but not by much and any player raising their foot that high knows there's a big risk of connecting with another players head, especially in the box.
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As a defender when a cross is coming over you don't start thinking 'I know there's a risk of catching a defender and giving away a penalty/ injuring him'.

From the cross leaving McNair's boot to the defender clearing it we're probably talking about less than a second in real time.

The ball is there and he attempts to clear it, thats what defenders do 1000s of times in training throughout their lives. Its not a conscious, rational thought process.

Its like when a player sticks out a leg to give away a penalty its a reaction to a player trying to get the ball.
 
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@Uwefuchs you're now defending the Blackburn player, he didn't clear it, he smashed his studs into Fry's head.

Have you ever played football? If you do that in a Sunday league pub game there's every chance one of the lads knocks you out after because it's that dangerous.

Again I don't think you appreciate that it's one centimetre away from quite literally ripping a person's eye ball out.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Uwe there's a reason you very, very rarely see a boot that high and that's because everyone - from the young lads through to the seniors - knows it's dangerous play. And if they do put their boot up there, they'll be sent off.
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Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Players, especially defenders are usually coached positioning for situations like that. If you are in the right position them you don't need to raise your foot that high.

I'm not sure consideration for the oppositions safety really comes into the coaching manual. Obviously no one wants to endager an opponent but your focus in that situation is generally on your position and clearing the ball.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Yeah it was clumsy nothing more than that. Raising your foot high is dangerous but it happens all the time on the pitch and its just a reaction that the player made in a split second. It definitely wasn't a conscious choice to put someone else at risk.

And who was smirking? Are you suggesting that Mowbray thought it was funny that Fry got injured?

I think you're looking for something in Mowbray's reaction that isn't there.

We should put the incident into context, if we'd got a penalty and won the game no one would care about Mowbray's reaction, I'm not even sure people would be making that much of a fuss about Fry being injured if we'd won the game either.
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Mowbray's reaction was the same as that of his player.
Both made absolutely no effort to apologise, showed absolutely no concern and both smirked - Mowbray around the incident itself, the player in the melee after the match.

As for not making a fuss of the incident, or Fry's welfare, then you don't speak for me or many others.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Players, especially defenders are usually coached positioning for situations like that. If you are in the right position them you don't need to raise your foot that high.

I'm not sure consideration for the oppositions safety really comes into the coaching manual. Obviously no one wants to endager an opponent but your focus in that situation is generally on your position and clearing the ball.
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If that was the case you'd see incidents like yesterday much more often, surely?
 
indeedido said:
Mowbray's reaction was the same as that of his player.
Both made absolutely no effort to apologise, showed absolutely no concern and both smirked - Mowbray around the incident itself, the player in the melee after the match.

As for not making a fuss of the incident, or Fry's welfare, then you don't speak for me or many others.
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And you don't speak for everyone either 👍🏻
 
Alvez_48 said:
@Uwefuchs you're now defending the Blackburn player, he didn't clear it, he smashed his studs into Fry's head.

Have you ever played football? If you do that in a Sunday league pub game there's every chance one of the lads knocks you out after because it's that dangerous.

Again I don't think you appreciate that it's one centimetre away from quite literally ripping a person's eye ball out.
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I've seen virtually an identical incident in Sunday league which left a lad in hospital.

And no, no one knocked anyone out because we didn't sit around watching replays and freezing the film for a close up.

How many of our players were enraged yesterday?

And if your reaction on a football pitch to something like that is to want to knock someone out that says more about you than it does about me.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
So he throws him under the bus, says he was reckless and should have been sent off and it was dangerous and stupid.

Blackburn have other matches to play that aren't against Boro.

If the player has even a slightest doubt in his mind, and hesitates slightly, pulls back a little from a challenge etc then Mowbray's comments, which serve only to appease a load of whiny Boro fans, then have a direct impact on the performance of his team.
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I thought you were better than that Lizards.
But there again, I thought Mowbray was too.
 
What the fu.ck did he do wrong?
He refused to make knee jerk comments without seeing what had happened and realised that the knives were out for one of his players.
It was a respectful refusal to get involved with something that was obviously getting heated.

Everybody accepted it wasn't deliberate so why would he publicly tear into one of his own players live on TV?
 
indeedido said:
I thought you were better than that Lizards.
But there again, I thought Mowbray was too.
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What are you on about "better than that" because I don't think Mowbray needs to throw his own player under the bus just to appease a load of hysterical Boro fans who would be claiming "it's a mans game" and "there was no intent" if it was the other way around.
 
BoroMart said:
This will have angered thousands of Boro fans, don't be silly thinking it's a handful of FMTTM posters, I've seen it on facebook groups for Boro and the gazette also.
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‘Thousands’ how many comments have you seen?

the lad has his eye firmly on the ball. Inexperience from an 18 year trying to win the ball.

no one is disputing it’s dangerous. Mowbray has been a bit of sh!thouse with his comments. Players regularly go with their feet at 5 foot. It dangerous but it happens all the time.

they injury is really serious, people are getting emotive over the end result. It could happen again, as long as people play with studs and players compete for the ball.
 
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