Same_as_before
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Great point, add ageism to the list.
JEREMY CORBYN SUSPENDED FROM LABOUR
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Cooper671
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Hey Alvez. Possibly. Will see where we are at at the next election. My vote is up for grabs
Nope sorry gadge. If Labour gain 60 seats they'll have 260 seats. 260 seats isnt a majority in a house of 650.
NoloBoro
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I think the Doyle’s who voted for these abhorrent regimes have more to answer for.
Same_as_before
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Brain freeze
Ebor
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8 pages later.
He didn't deserve that, but he killed the Labour party as an opposition. The dude needs to be in purgatory for his lazy, wishy washy leadership, never mind this mild bollox
The Party are culpable tbf, for allowing him to be made leader. Flag waving students and all that, just got custard.
He didn't deserve that, but he killed the Labour party as an opposition. The dude needs to be in purgatory for his lazy, wishy washy leadership, never mind this mild bollox
The Party are culpable tbf, for allowing him to be made leader. Flag waving students and all that, just got custard.
It's a reference to Riley's own comments, made in an interview with Channel 4.
Writer and broadcaster Michael Rosen took her to task for it as follows:
Well done on completely missing the point. Rachel Riley is the one who stated that she didn't look like a typical Jew. See previous post.
Ex Footy Legs
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Ex Footy Legs
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That’s exactly how I see it too
coluka
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Corbyn is a destructive influence in modern British politics. Anyone siding with him over Starmer, his positive actions following a damning report and his leadership of the Labour Party is pressing the self destruction button. The last thing Labour needs is a battle of its far left trying to wrestle back control of an agenda that has been rejected time and again by the British people.
Corbyn and his allies are behaving irresponsibly. They are taking the focus off the Government at a time when they Tories can do no right. Corbyn seems happy to bring about the destruction of the Labour Party through bitter infighting that will only lead to more public despair and distrust about Labour and their ability to govern. Corbyn is doing more to help the Tories than he is to the causes he claims to support. He needs to jog on to the sidelines and let Starmer lead the party to victory. What is more important principles without power or power to effect change?
Corbyn at that dinner party showed a huge error of judgement and a lack of common sense and was hardly criticised by his cronies and supporters. He stuck 2 fingers up to covid rules just like Dominic Cummings did, everyone rightly hounded Cummings, but barely a criticism of Corbyn was forthcoming from the same people. Some on the left need to stop the hypocrisy, get behind the new man Starmer, who is far more electable as a leader and focus on winning back power rather than scoring yet another own goal and giving the initiative back to Johnson et al. If this is allowed to continue into next year I fear the country will end up with the Tories again by default. Smell The Coffee folks, please before its too late. The next election wont be won or lost in 2024, it will be won or lost on whether the public can trust Labour based on behaviours and actions between now and then.
Corbyn and his allies are behaving irresponsibly. They are taking the focus off the Government at a time when they Tories can do no right. Corbyn seems happy to bring about the destruction of the Labour Party through bitter infighting that will only lead to more public despair and distrust about Labour and their ability to govern. Corbyn is doing more to help the Tories than he is to the causes he claims to support. He needs to jog on to the sidelines and let Starmer lead the party to victory. What is more important principles without power or power to effect change?
Corbyn at that dinner party showed a huge error of judgement and a lack of common sense and was hardly criticised by his cronies and supporters. He stuck 2 fingers up to covid rules just like Dominic Cummings did, everyone rightly hounded Cummings, but barely a criticism of Corbyn was forthcoming from the same people. Some on the left need to stop the hypocrisy, get behind the new man Starmer, who is far more electable as a leader and focus on winning back power rather than scoring yet another own goal and giving the initiative back to Johnson et al. If this is allowed to continue into next year I fear the country will end up with the Tories again by default. Smell The Coffee folks, please before its too late. The next election wont be won or lost in 2024, it will be won or lost on whether the public can trust Labour based on behaviours and actions between now and then.
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bear66
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I thought Starmer was very poor when questioned after his press conference. After a straight statement, he was very defensive when asked questions it was obvious he was going to get. It was everything that worried me about him being leader and the reason I voted for (the more moderate) Nandy, as I thought Long-Bailey would also struggle when under a bit of pressure.
coluka
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I wanted Nandy and was gutted she never won the day too bear. We are where we are, and have to get behind Starmer. I don’t see any other way. I agree he looked a little uneasy and defensive yesterday, unusual for a Barrister imho, but he was part of the Corbyn tainted front bench and was never that vocal as I recall, so he is in part tainted by inaction. He has to somehow get moving to put this sorry affair to bed and it can’t be done without adding some painful medicine to enable the wounds to start healing. At least he has acted swiftly.
Alvez_48
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Imagine if Corbyn joins the SDP and gets them a load of coverage or makes his own party....
That could well be a disaster for labour.
We're in a weird world where both Labour and the Tories are all but 'done' really as political forces.. yet they are the only two options any of us have.
That could well be a disaster for labour.
We're in a weird world where both Labour and the Tories are all but 'done' really as political forces.. yet they are the only two options any of us have.
Pog
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Starmer is the guy splitting the party. He ran as centre left politician and once he’s got into the leadership position he’s ran as a centre right politician in a desperate attempt pander time “moderate conservatives”.
He’s purging the party of those on the left, and he’s losing support of unions. If the unions continue to remove funding from the party because of him where are Labour going to get their funding from? Millionaires, billionaires and corporations. Tory lite, which I’m guessing will suit Starmer just fine.
Expelling Corbyn was a act of political negligence. What he said was in line with the EHRC definitions of what is and isn’t anti-semitism. It was exaggerated, unless you think the TWO cases that the EHRC found Labour to have handled very badly warranted a four year media campaign.
All Starmer has done is in pandering to the right wing media is split the party, when he needed to unite it. Starmer has gift wrapped a massive win to the Tories, they’re now going after him aggressively for supporting a guy that he’s now expelled and they’re now calling for every left wing politician to be kicked out with him.
The Tories and the mates are desperate to kill Corbynism for good. Contrary to your ramblings there is absolutely nothing hard left about giving working people a fair deal whilst the rich and corporations pay their fair share of tax.
Pog
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He threatened to break up the banks, big pharma, nationalise utilities, make the the 1% pay their fair share of tax.
These are the most powerful people in the country, you’re a naive child if you think these people wouldn’t hit back aggressively against someone who is existential to their way of life.
Pog
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No it’s a good report, I’ve spent some time reading it and it’s very thorough and even handed.
It’s findings however are being misrepresented by the media and politicians for political gain.
coluka
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You never fail to disappoint Pog, the definition of insanity is what again? Ah yes, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Views like yours, if continued will ensure the Tories keep on governing. Corbyn and his allies are simply not trusted by the wider British public, that is obvious. To wrestle power from the Tories, power has to be gained by gaining the trust of the British public. You may not like it but the majority do not support the far left of the Labour party and a move to the centre ground appeals to those whose votes Labour needs for power. You have your beliefs, fine, but without power, you may as well have voted tory.
To blame Starmer for the division is ridiculous. You have the blinkers on if you believe that. Painting Starmer as centre right is laughable. You are painting fake news to smear the current leader. The tories are not the ones killing Corbynism, the British public are. They do not want it, trust it and have resoundingly rejected it. You and people who think like you do more damage to the political views of the average Brit. It turns people against change whether you like it or not, its true. Contrary to your blinkered ramblings on Corbyn, the British public do not want a move to the left, they are crying out for a left of centre party with a leader and front bench that are credible, trustworthy, statesmanlike and are not intransigent bullies trying to force an agenda that is largely unwanted.
Corbyn and his allies are a busted flush that single handedly passed power to the Tories for far too long now. You need to move aside and give the left of centre Starmer his shot. If you don’t, we look forward to Tory rule into 2029. Maybe thats what you secretly want.