JEREMY CORBYN SUSPENDED FROM LABOUR

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Jeremy's response:

I will strongly contest the political intervention to suspend me. I’ve made absolutely clear that those who deny there has been an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party are wrong.
It’s also undeniable that a false impression has been created of the number of members accused of antisemitism, as polling shows: that is what has been overstated, not the seriousness of the problem.
I will continue to support a zero tolerance policy towards all forms of racism. And I urge all members to stay calm and focused - while this problem is resolved amicably, as I believe it will be - to defeat this awful government, which is further impoverishing the poorest in our society.

 

[TeaCider]

She doesn't even look like a typical Jew.

Weird statement to begin with, but what relevance does how she looks have to anything?

 

[homesickblues]

Perhaps it was a bit TIC.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

She doesn't even look like a typical Jew.

Hope that is just a flippant comment

 

[MFP]

Hope that is just a flippant comment

I think he's sarcastially referring to an interview Riley gave about her Jewish identity and made the remark that she doesn't look like a typical Jew. It's what anti-semites use against her among the abuse, lies, death threats, etc. when tryng to undermine her for daring to have a view on Corbyn.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Weird statement to begin with, but what relevance does how she looks have to anything?

Hope that is just a flippant comment

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/01/10/rosen-takes-riley-to-task-over-typical-jew-comments/

And to think she had the gall to call Noam Chomsky an anti-Semite. Dozy wench.

 

[Alvez_48]

@Cooper671 hey coops my main man, tempted to vote for Sir Keir?

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

I think he's sarcastially referring to an interview Riley gave about her Jewish identity and made the remark that she doesn't look like a typical Jew. It's what anti-semites use against her among the abuse, lies, death threats, etc. when tryng to undermine her for daring to have a view on Corbyn.

Are you having a dig at me and Michael Rosen here? How dare you

 

[Jimstewart]

https://skwawkbox.org/2019/01/10/rosen-takes-riley-to-task-over-typical-jew-comments/

And to think she had the gall to call Noam Chomsky an anti-Semite. Dozy wench.

So far on here this woman has been called a daft cow, a dozy wench and not having the look of a typical Jew whatever that is. Charming . The place would rightly be up in arms if this had been directed at any other minority.

 

[Otto42]

It's when I read BS like this I shudder for the future of my children. How can you blame an opposition party for the acts of the incumbent Thatcher and Cameron / May / Johnson governments? The Tory party has always stood for the very few and taken time and again from human rights, public services and a safety net for the vulnerable. That always was, and remains the case and isn't a secret to anyone. Therefore the people to blame for the despicable Tory governments are the idiots who voted for them.

Regardless of anyone's thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn, very few would pretend (and actually believe it) that things would be even worse under his Government. Whilst the Tory apologists whose only input is to blame the people who aren't responsible continue to say 'but Corbyn, but Abbott' you are part of the problem and not the solution.

If you are unelectable to the majority of the population you have an extreme government which is considered least worst. A proportion of the population agree with Corbyn's socialism, but as has been proved in elections time and time again not enough to win power. It is this kind of thinking which suggests Blair was a continuation of Thatcher. To paraphrase the current Labour leader you can do nowt in opposition!

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

So far on here this woman has been called a daft cow, a dozy wench and not having the look of a typical Jew whatever that is. Charming . The place would rightly be up in arms if this had been directed at any other minority.

What would you call someone who used the phrase "not having the look of a typical Jew"

 

[ForssAwakens]

He's already alienated himself from those groups. He supports Israel, why would they pour money into the coffers of somebody whose politics they do not agree with?

You didn’t answer the question but asked your own, a bit like Boris at the dispatch box

 

[deganya]

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

You didn’t answer the question but asked your own, a bit like Boris at the dispatch box

Of course I answered the question. I said "He's already alienated himself from those groups." That means it ain't going to happen.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Of course I answered the question. I said "He's already alienated himself from those groups." That means it ain't going to happen.

Ye sorry you did you answered the question, my mistake

 

[MFP]

an insult to the memory of the victims of the Holocaust

And what would Chomsky consider his support of Faurisson; a well known Holocaust denier to be exactly? Ah yes, "freedom of expression".

 

[SuperStu]

And what would Chomsky consider his support of Faurisson; a well known Holocaust denier to be exactly? Ah yes, "freedom of expression".

The Faurisson affair was an academic controversy in the wake of a book, Mémoire en défense (1980), by French professor Robert Faurisson, a Holocaust denier. The scandal largely dealt with the inclusion of an essay by American linguist Noam Chomsky, entitled "Some Elementary Comments on the Rights of Freedom of Expression", as an introduction to Faurisson's book, without Chomsky's knowledge or explicit approval. Responding to a request for comment in a climate of attacks on Faurisson, Chomsky defended Faurisson's right to express and publish his opinions on the grounds that freedom of speech must be extended to all viewpoints, no matter how unpopular or fallacious.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair#Chomsky's_biographers_on_the_Faurisson_affair

Think your post seems a bit misleading about this "support".

 

[MFP]

And you think supporting the rights of person to make egregious claims that there's no evidence the Nazis used gas chambers to kill millions of Jews isn't a an insult to the memory of the victims of the Holocaust? Chomsky literally argued that Faurisson's claims weren't anti-semitic.

So yeah, he is supporting a Holocaust denier. There's nothing misleading about that at all.

 

[Lefty]

I'm sorry, which bit is wrong, that he has distanced himself from supporters of Palestine or that he supports Israel?

Just to be clear, Starmer supports Israel's right to exist. Is that wrong of him?

Does he support the mistreatment and human rights violations by the State of Israel against the Palestinian people? I say he does not, but I'll quickly retract that and indeed change my opinion of Starmer quite sharply, if you can show me some credible evidence.

You said 'he's already alienated himself from those groups' and 'he has distanced himself from supporters of Palestine'. There are some possible subtle differences here. How has he done this, because if he has alienated himself from those groups simply by clamping down on antisemitism then good, it is not Starmer who is at fault.

'He supports Israel' you say. Unconditionally? On all matters? Or are you simply truncating the phrase 'I support Israel's right to exist' to smear him. I hope not as this would be very similar to the treatment Corbyn got.

 

[Same_as_before]

650 seats in the HoC. So strictly speaking 326 for a majority, however Sinn Fein win some and don't take them so really it's more like 320-322 for a majority. Labour won 202 at the last election, and now have 2 suspended. So 200 sitting MPs. Putting them 120+ short of a majority.

Yes double counting , thought so .

650 seats in the HoC. So strictly speaking 326 for a majority, however Sinn Fein win some and don't take them so really it's more like 320-322 for a majority. Labour won 202 at the last election, and now have 2 suspended. So 200 sitting MPs. Putting them 120+ short of a majority.

So it double counting. For every one one you have to take one off the current seat. So it's about 60.