JEREMY CORBYN SUSPENDED FROM LABOUR

[Alvez_48]

I voted Labour at the last election. I put my feelings to Corbyn to one side. Lets see if all these Labour turncoats cancelling membership will act in the interest of the greater good come 2024. Pragmatism over principles sometimes is needed

I'm with you for now good sir, although I'll be lending my vote to the anti lockdown party if we're still in this mess then (I know that party doesn't currently exist, it's a joke)

 

[coluka]

I’ve already given you a very detailed response and you didn’t come back with anything of substance, like a true centrist.

 

[Borobuddah]

Being anti Zionist is not being anti Semitic.

What appears to be underneath all this is an attempt to stamp out support for Palestine in the Labour movement

 

[SuperStu]

I voted Labour at the last election. I put my feelings to Corbyn to one side. Lets see if all these Labour turncoats cancelling membership will act in the interest of the greater good come 2024. Pragmatism over principles sometimes is needed

I can't see myself voting for Labour next time round at the moment. But who knows what will happen/change between now and then.

 

[1finny]

The party isn't and never has been anti Semitic, where do you get that idea from and why do you think it had so many Jewish members?

The party isn’t anti semitic, I agree,
Some people in the party were and the procedures weren’t good enough to stop it.

 

[Pog]

The reason Cameron's rhetoric on the deficit was believed, IMO was because nobody in Labour dared to challenge it.

Which to me was also what went wrong during Corbyn's era. Every single attack from the tories or media was amplified by Labour MPs.

And it's the same error Starmer's been making all summer. He'll never be seen as a better option than the tories by people, if he constantly amplifies every criticism people throw at the party. E.g. banging on about opposition for oppositions sake, sacking front benchers for supposedly being weak on defence, and like yesterday, withdrawing the whip from MPs for the crime of saying the level of antisemitism in the Labour party has been exaggerated.

This 100%

The Tories and the media pushed the right wing narrative that Labour were terrible with money and bankrupt the country, and the centrists in the party demanded Labour accept it.

How did that work out for them? To this day the narrative is still that Labour are terrible with money and the Tories are fiscally responsible, despite the opposite being true.

Now they’re being bullied into accepting that Labour is a anti-semitic party and that Jeremy Corbyn was an anti-semite who must be expelled from the party along with all his left wing associates. How will that work out for them? They’ll still be branded an anti-semitic party, as Starmer was part of that leadership team.

It’s political nativity in the extreme.

 

[FatCat]

Being anti Zionist is not being anti Semitic.

What appears to be underneath all this is an attempt to stamp out support for Palestine in the Labour movement

I was just about to write something similar, as some of you may know I am Tory but I find myself agreeing with JC on this one. I can’t find any concrete examples of anti Semitic behaviour. All I could find is that the complaints procedures in this regard weren’t sufficient other than that it does seem over exaggerated. Can anyone explain with some examples why and when the Labour Party has been directly anti Semitic.

 

[Wiseman_Vaughn]

The Tories and the media pushed the right wing narrative that Labour were terrible with money and bankrupt the country.

True - and now the Media will bring down Johnson - beccause "they" don't want him. Starmer fits "their" bill and he will be the next PM. The media runs the show

 

[1finny]

I can't see myself voting for Labour next time round at the moment. But who knows what will happen/change between now and then.

Maybe we can all get behind this. I always liked McDonnell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1322183943521796103

 

[Same_as_before]

Terrible decision by Labour.
The EHRC has failed to find the party 'institutionally anti-Semitic.
They Found only two unlawful acts.
They didn't find any individual culpable.
They had to throw out all the accusations against Chris Williamson.
The EHRC " identified serious failings in leadership and an inadequate process for handling anti-Semitism complaints across the Labour Party,” but let's not forget that the failures were not Corbyn's but those named in the Labour leaks who did nothing for months on end to deal with the problem and were actively working against him.

JC has nothing to apologise for.

Try reading the report, the conclusion is shocking . If it had been about Boris you would have been all over it.

 

[SuperStu]

Maybe we can all get behind this. I always liked McDonnell

It will be interesting to see what happens next. Surely Starmer now needs to ensure Corbyn's expelled from the party. Anything else is a climb down and knocks his forensic lawyer image off balance. And if he starts taking advice from John McD' he'll be hammered for it by the tories and media.

I wonder if there'll be some sort of back room deal to try and persuade Corbyn to just drop it, accept his expulsion and slip away quietly.

 

[FartingGnome]

Try reading the report, the conclusion is shocking . If it had been about Boris you would have been all over it.

Are the Tories going to get shot of the well known racist and liar Johnson then?

Give over.

 

[Same_as_before]

They should

 

[Cooper671]

Are the Tories going to get shot of the well known racist and liar Johnson then?

Give over.

But but Johnson

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Try reading the report, the conclusion is shocking . If it had been about Boris you would have been all over it.

None of what I said above was wrong and if you had read the report you would know that.

 

[Same_as_before]

I understand your name now.

 

[1finny]

None of what I said above was wrong and if you had read the report you would know that.

BBG - the EHRC have released their report. Presumably, you are not doubting what they have concluded?
Yes, people are free to offer ‘mitigating’ circumstances If they see fit.
Much like a criminal court though - that never changes the verdict.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

I was just about to write something similar, as some of you may know I am Tory but I find myself agreeing with JC on this one. I can’t find any concrete examples of anti Semitic behaviour. All I could find is that the complaints procedures in this regard weren’t sufficient other than that it does seem over exaggerated. Can anyone explain with some examples why and when the Labour Party has been directly anti Semitic.

FatCat, that is an extremely fair post which I thank you for.
Today on R4 following JC's statement that anti-Semitism in the Labour party had been dramatically overstated by his opponents both inside and outside of the party and also by the British media, there was an interview with JC's Director of Communications, James Schneider, himself a Jew.
Schneider alluded to a recent poll by Survation into people's perception of the scale of A/S within the labour party. The findings were quite astonishing. The general public it was found, were of the impression that one third (200,000 at the time of the study) members of the party had accusations of A/S against them. The correct figure was 0.3% or 2,000. This represents an increase of 9,900%

This raises a few questions.
How on earth did the general public come to believe such a gross exaggeration?
Where were the public getting their perceptions from?
Why, even today has there been no effort by the media or by the two main political parties to correct such misconceptions?

People who twitter on about whataboutery have no idea. A problem of this scale cannot be successfully solved in isolation. Comparisons are valid because, in the long run, this situation will do more damage to our country than the benefits any of the short term dishonestly achieved advantages between or within our political parties will ever deliver.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Try reading the report, the conclusion is shocking . If it had been about Boris you would have been all over it.

BBG - the EHRC have released their report. Presumably, you are not doubting what they have concluded?
Yes, people are free to offer ‘mitigating’ circumstances If they see fit.
Much like a criminal court though - that never changes the verdict.

When I made that post I was referring to the decision to suspend JC. The report does not single out JC for blame and nothing he has said since the release of the report justifies his suspension. On the contrary, the report itself fully justifies Corbyn's response; the very response which Keir Starmer used to suspend Corbyn and remove the whip.

 

[Chris_Boro]

When I made that post I was referring to the decision to suspend JC. The report does not single out JC for blame and nothing he has said since the release of the report justifies his suspension. On the contrary, the report itself fully justifies Corbyn's response; the very response which Keir Starmer used to suspend Corbyn and remove the whip.

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He was the leader of the party, therefore has to take responsibility for its failing whether it directly implicates him or not. If he did this, while promoting his record on tackling antisemitism then none of this would have happened and everyone involved could have moved on.

This is what Starmer wanted but Corbyn could not help himself but undermine the report and labour's ability to accept it and move on.

Corbyn's comments and actions left Starmer with either being seen to condone JC's views which would have left the party open to attack on not being tough on antisemitism despite the report or remove the whip.

I'm a big fan of Corbyn but on this he's wrong and should have swallowed his pride for the greater good of the Party he still claims to love.