BoroMart
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dismantling things is longer lasting than creating things, by it's very nature.Thatcher's gov didn't make lasting changes to the country in your opinion? Atlee's? Lloyd George's?
dismantling things is longer lasting than creating things, by it's very nature.Thatcher's gov didn't make lasting changes to the country in your opinion? Atlee's? Lloyd George's?
Biden is not perfect but he isn’t a likely criminal and he is not a con man and that’s the real choice about administrations that America has to make.
dismantling things is longer lasting than creating things, by it's very nature.
Well I was largely talking about Thatcher with that comment. Atlee and George weren't Tory's who like to dismantle, but the Tory's have certainly tried to roll back their gains. The Tories have tried to undermine Atlees great win for years.Atlee and Lloyd George were dismantlers in your opinion? Some mental gymnastics that. Like I said, the Blair gov was maybe a bit of a reprieve but it was a big chance for more lasting change wasted IMO.
Let's take them one at a time....
1) Intricacies of the electoral system - there for both parties to use to their advantage
2) Massive amounts of money pumped into disenfranchising people in those battle ground states - by whom ? They'd had 8 years of Obama prior to Trump
3) Smear campaigns - what, you mean like Russiagate which turns out to be have been fabricated
4)Building a brand - the right know how to do this all right, maybe the Left should try it
I am a 'Thatcher Baby' - but i guess the early to mid 1990s schooling were the affects of her Government as wellYou should have been at school under thatchers government, it was like a third world country
They are but that was simply harder to dismantle due to the sheer scale and embededness of it. If the Tories of the late 50s early 60s had known what a problem child it would become for their ideologies they would have doubled efforts to get rid before it entered the national psyche.Okay so what's to disagree with? A cherry picked highlights reel of the Blair years and it's all been rolled back already. Atlee's government's achievements are still causing the tories headaches today 70 years later.
As bad a Trump and Biden are they are nowhere near as unelectable as Corbyn. Boris is living proof of that.We had the same choice last year.
OK.. one at a time...ok let's take this one at a time
1) Wrong - elements can be altered at State level so parties do not have equal control, additionally, at a Federal level Trump has placed people in charge of key resources e.g. USPS, to ensure he has an influence on the system
2) erm, if you know anything about US politics, then you know the money raised and spent is huge since the Citizens United ruling in 2010. Additionally, there have been hundreds of cases through the court system where the republicans have tried to implement additional rules for voting and removing polling stations etc. the level of disenfranchising has never been higher. And how does Obama come into this?
3) When was Russiagate proven to be fabricated? answer - never. All the evidence available says there was collaboration. It took the stooge Barr and a GOP controlled Senate to save him.
4) maybe the Left don't want to build a brand that attracts Facists and idiots?
anything else i can help you with?
Then let's look at how it's not just the republicans gaming the system....ok let's take this one at a time
1) Wrong - elements can be altered at State level so parties do not have equal control, additionally, at a Federal level Trump has placed people in charge of key resources e.g. USPS, to ensure he has an influence on the system
2) erm, if you know anything about US politics, then you know the money raised and spent is huge since the Citizens United ruling in 2010. Additionally, there have been hundreds of cases through the court system where the republicans have tried to implement additional rules for voting and removing polling stations etc. the level of disenfranchising has never been higher. And how does Obama come into this?
3) When was Russiagate proven to be fabricated? answer - never. All the evidence available says there was collaboration. It took the stooge Barr and a GOP controlled Senate to save him.
4) maybe the Left don't want to build a brand that attracts Facists and idiots?
anything else i can help you with?
Then let's look at how it's not just the republicans gaming the system....
I'm well aware of who Project Veritas are and what their agenda is, the secret recordings are pretty damning though, CNN are hardly going to investigate this.Why are you posting partisan youtube videos as if they're fact?
Project Veritas is a proven disinformation outfit funded by the Kochs.
Frankly the Fox News guy running the debate should have controlled Trump who was just intent on deliberately disrupting Biden and not allowing him to get a sentence out without shouting him down. It was a shameful tactic and one that does American democracy no credit whatsoever.Yeah I know he tried to but just got nowhere with it, he just let Trump talk over him continuously.
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fair point, can I throw in Reality TV in general? (excluding singing and variety shows)I blame Alan Sugar!
If The Apprentice wasn't so popular it wouldn't have gomne to America and they wouldn't have chosen Trump.
Then maybe he wouldn't have become so pupular with the ignorant.
I assume that was aimed at me.awww. nothing from Jones, Tucker or Qanon?
disappointed - but still waiting for you to make anything resembling a viable counter-response