The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

GazC_MFC said:
Which fits my narrative

Dementia lower - died a few months early

Flu - social distancing means less at risk
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'I thought you said it would have to mean less people are dying of others things for you to be correct' - i.e. it fits my narrative not yours.

Less people are dying of other things because we are overcounting covid deaths as displayed. In this graph:-

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If it were underreporting you'd see more people dying of other things.
 
Alvez_48 said:
'I thought you said it would have to mean less people are dying of others things for you to be correct' - i.e. it fits my narrative not yours.

Less people are dying of other things because we are overcounting covid deaths as displayed. In this graph:-

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If it were underreporting you'd see more people dying of other things.
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Why are less people dying from the flu?
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 767 new cases reported in 24-hour period, virtually unchanged from yesterday's 768
• 7-day average for new cases decreases by 1.3% to 659 per day, following 1.8% increase yesterday (and 8 previous consecutive daily increases)
• 7-day average for new cases is 8.0% higher than one week ago (from 9.6% higher yesterday) and 13.9% higher than two weeks ago (from 21.2% higher yesterday and 14.2% lower 7 days ago)
• 61 new deaths in all settings reported in 24-hour period, down from 123 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths in all settings increases by 4.7% to 66 per day, following 2.1% increase yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths in all settings is 2.3% lower than one week ago (from 24.0% lower yesterday) and 22.7% lower than two weeks ago (from 14.6% lower yesterday and 30.7% lower 7 days ago)
 
If anyone is wondering why the 7-day average for new infections has decreased today despite the number of new infections announced being higher than the average, this is because last Saturday's figure (827) was higher still.
 
Alvez_48 said:
'I thought you said it would have to mean less people are dying of others things for you to be correct' - i.e. it fits my narrative not yours.

Less people are dying of other things because we are overcounting covid deaths as displayed. In this graph:-

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If it were underreporting you'd see more people dying of other things.
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You mean like this?

You'll note, this is the same chart but for the month of April when more than 88,000 people died in England & Wales, double the average and the deadliest month on record. So, by your own admission, the evidence of under-reporting Covid-19 deaths coincides with the month when more people died than at any other time in our recorded history.

Figure 3_ COVID-19 was the most frequent underlying cause of death for deaths occurring in Eng...png
 
Billy Horner said:
You mean like this?

You'll note, this is the same chart but for the month of April when more than 88,000 people died in England & Wales, double the average and the deadliest month on record. So, by your own admission, the evidence of under-reporting Covid-19 deaths coincides with the month when more people died than at any other time in our recorded history.

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It’s interesting that graph, because there’s an excess death in dementia.

That counters the argument that all care home deaths were put down as covid

But

If backs that lockdown measures probably had a effect of people with dementia and shortened their life.
 
Billy Horner said:
You mean like this?

You'll note, this is the same chart but for the month of April when more than 88,000 people died in England & Wales, double the average and the deadliest month on record. So, by your own admission, the evidence of under-reporting Covid-19 deaths coincides with the month when more people died than at any other time in our recorded history.

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I'd argue that month shows more over reporting but again you forget to mentiont that in that month we stopped all 'non-essential NHS services' and people stayed away from a and e.. it's widely documented that and A and E traffic fell through the floor.

Again believe what you want I'm not denying covid in anyway shape or form I'm just arguing quite clearly and concisely that it's being over reported.

Laughing said my original graph was showing it was under reported I was asking how...

You believe differently to me... That's fine, I just find it odd that it's such a conflicting claim when to support it would suggest to me that there is something inherently wrong with our genetics to be worse effected (statistically) than countries that did nothing.

If you however look at it from my point of view that switching on those services, scaring the population which then stays away from A and E and the effect of lockdown has had an impact on excess deaths and the reporting of the deaths is over (and I'm not saying by ridiculous numbers like 50,000). To me that makes far more logical sense.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I'd argue that month shows more over reporting but again you forget to mentiont that in that month we stopped all 'non-essential NHS services' and people stayed away from a and e.. it's widely documented that and A and E traffic fell through the floor.

Again believe what you want I'm not denying covid in anyway shape or form I'm just arguing quite clearly and concisely that it's being over reported.

Laughing said my original graph was showing it was under reported I was asking how...

You believe differently to me... That's fine, I just find it odd that it's such a conflicting claim when to support it would suggest to me that there is something inherently wrong with our genetics to be worse effected (statistically) than countries that did nothing.

If you however look at it from my point of view that switching on those services, scaring the population which then stays away from A and E and the effect of lockdown has had an impact on excess deaths and the reporting of the deaths is over (and I'm not saying by ridiculous numbers like 50,000). To me that makes far more logical sense.
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Interested to know then out of 60k deaths how do feel about how many was attributed to switching services off and people having second thoughts about a&e
 
Alvez, I didn't say any such thing. I said there were 2 interpretations. When I looked at a similar graph I drew some conclusions.
 
GazC_MFC said:
It’s interesting that graph, because there’s an excess death in dementia.

That counters the argument that all care home deaths were put down as covid

But

If backs that lockdown measures probably had a effect of people with dementia and shortened their life.
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I would suggest that the excess dementia deaths in April were probably really an under-reporting of Covid-19.

We know that people with dementia tend to be old and often live in care homes. We also know (now) that there was a Covid-19 epidemic raging through care homes in April.

There was virtually no testing taking place in care homes at the time and people with dementia may lack the cognitive skills to describe their symptoms (or even that they have symptoms). It’s perfectly plausible, therefore, that many unexplained deaths would be attributed to the dementia from which doctors knew the individual was suffering, rather than a virus which wasn’t being tested for.

I take the point that lockdown could have had a negative effect on dementia sufferers.

However, we only went into lockdown towards the end of March and it might be surprising if that had such an immediate impact on people with a long-term illness, as to have caused such a spike in deaths by the following month. Were that the case, you would also expect that impact to continue (or even get worse) as lockdown continues, yet the statistics show that dementia deaths then fell significantly over the following two months.
 
Today's headline analysis:

• 747 new cases reported in 24-hour period, slightly down from yesterday's 767
• 7-day average for new cases increases by 0.4% to 662 per day, following 1.3% decrease yesterday (and 9th increase in the past 10 days)
• 7-day average for new cases is 6.6% higher than one week ago (from 8.0% higher yesterday) and 10.7% higher than two weeks ago (from 13.9% higher yesterday and 5.3% lower 7 days ago)
• 14 new deaths in all settings reported in 24-hour period, down from 61 yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths in all settings decreases by 2.8% to 64 per day, following 4.7% increase yesterday
• 7-day average for new deaths in all settings is 6.2% lower than one week ago (from 2.3% lower yesterday) and 24.7% lower than two weeks ago (from 22.7% lower yesterday and 28.3% lower 7 days ago)
 
The 7-day average for new cases, when compared with two weeks ago, has now increased for each of the past 7 days.

The 7-day average for new cases, when compared with one week ago, has now increased for each of the past 14 days.

In summary, there is significant evidence that the average is going up.
 
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