Andy_W
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Yeah, sorry for the rantQuite hard to fit all that on a placard though
(That said, you make some very good points).
Yeah, sorry for the rantQuite hard to fit all that on a placard though
(That said, you make some very good points).
And yet there is no conclusive evidence that lowering man made carbon emissions will lower temperatures. Itās not like we havenāt had periods of warm weather in the past, before the Industrial Revolution, but not that long ago (relatively) in history - the Middle Ages for example were warmer than the current period. What we do know is that āclimate changeā will be used as an excuse to tax us more, be used as an excuse to limit our movement by restricting or even removing private vehicle ownership and very probably limited chance of ordinary folk travelling abroad. Wait till carbon scoring comes in as a means of deciding where you can travel to, then weāll see how many on here are clapping just stop oil when they canāt go to an away game because theyāve used all their carbon credits for the month - itās coming trust me. Weāre already seeing 15 minutes cities spring up with the idea of restricting everyoneās travel to their own little space inside each city. Liverpool council have only today announced they have approved plans to split the city up into 13 āzonesā, and just about every council in the country has already committed to doing the same. Look at all the ULEZ cameras springing up everywhere - driving your own car will soon be a luxury reserved for the rich or privileged, the rest of us will be severely restricted on where we can goOh well at least that can bring you some comfort as the world burns and our childrenās futures are ruined
All respect to the protestors in my opinion. They arenāt resorting to violence to get their message across but certainly people are taking note. (Hence the need for disruptive rather than non disruptive protest)
At least they can say they are trying to do something as most just sleep walk into or ignore the biggest crisis mankind has ever faced.
The protestors aren't breaking any laws.Should be for both sides, complete idiots who need to be prosecuted
I imagine many of them like you are reasonable people who want to engage in constructive discussions and raise awareness. I certainly donāt buy into the ācrusty tree huggerā narrative tories like to push.Hmm, that sounds interesting, I might look into that, never thought of that. They might just think I'm some climate change denier moron though, and that couldn't be further from the truth. It wouldn't be them answering questions mind, it might be more me telling them what they may not realise about the renewable energy sector. They're a big movent, getting a lot of press, but I think their time and effort could be better placed (in the UK at least), but it's not up to me to tell them that. I think they're wasting the airtime they get, for the effort, at a super critical time.
I can't see them changing their name though, which I think is one of the key problems, it's like it's trying to tackle problem 95, without tackling problems 1-94 which are causing far bigger problems immediately, which makes problem 95 worse.
The thing is I've got the exact same overall aims as them, but they just don't seem to be realistic or realise what the main problems the renewable energy sector is facing, and what they've actually managed to achieve given the horrendous hurdles.
The problem isn't fossil fuels, it's us and our need for them and our batshit rules guaranteeing this need for longer. We regulate for a 1 in 100,000 risk of something small and low cost, not realising it's slowing down a renewable energy project, aiming to limit the damage of an absolute certainty, which has a massive risk to life and cost.
I had a battery grid project delayed for 6 weeks the other week, because the canal and rivers trust (a charitable trust/ public company I suppose) would not let the client put a guy across the canal in a boat to get an accurate depth, which would have took 5 minutes (the depth given by the C&RT was out by over a metre/ 30%, according to a remote survey). This was on the critical path too, so any delay there, is a delay to the end date (and adding millions). Then we got held up for another two weeks for taking water out of the canal (which was in the approved method statement and risk assessment for 6 months), when some member of the public complained, although it was already approved, which we demonstrated. Then the C&RT decided that they wanted 10k for a licence from our client for the water (effectively a ransom, would have took another month to sort the legals out), yet we were only taking 20k litres per day max (which is permitted abstraction by the EA) and the canal was being topped up by an EA river (for free). All of these **** ups jacked up our invoice value too (to sit there and do nothing), we didn't lose out, but the UK did, as people don't look at the bigger picture. That cost maybe two months, but in total I reckon the ludicrous delays (from various parties) were getting on for 6-12 months in total.
I spend most of my working life trying to get renewable energy and battery schemes built, and all the UK does is shoot itself in the foot over, and over and over again, it's laughable.
Just providing context so that the echo chamber that is FMTTM has both sides of the story ..Then his wife is a crap driver and endangered their baby. He should be mad at her.
To quickly fact check some of that :And yet there is no conclusive evidence that lowering man made carbon emissions will lower temperatures. Itās not like we havenāt had periods of warm weather in the past, before the Industrial Revolution, but not that long ago (relatively) in history - the Middle Ages for example were warmer than the current period. What we do know is that āclimate changeā will be used as an excuse to tax us more, be used as an excuse to limit our movement by restricting or even removing private vehicle ownership and very probably limited chance of ordinary folk travelling abroad. Wait till carbon scoring comes in as a means of deciding where you can travel to, then weāll see how many on here are clapping just stop oil when they canāt go to an away game because theyāve used all their carbon credits for the month - itās coming trust me. Weāre already seeing 15 minutes cities spring up with the idea of restricting everyoneās travel to their own little space inside each city. Liverpool council have only today announced they have approved plans to split the city up into 13 āzonesā, and just about every council in the country has already committed to doing the same. Look at all the ULEZ cameras springing up everywhere - driving your own car will soon be a luxury reserved for the rich or privileged, the rest of us will be severely restricted on where we can go
I would imagine they are ,causing an obstruction being one of them .The protestors aren't breaking any laws.
I imagine many of them like you are reasonable people who want to engage in constructive discussions and raise awareness. I certainly donāt buy into the ācrusty tree huggerā narrative tories like to push.
My daughter is obsessed with kurzgesagt and they have some really interesting and idiot friendly (ideal for me as not my area at all) videos about climate and energy usage, including several on nuclear.
Not sure his wife committing a motoring offence adds much context, to be honest.Just providing context so that the echo chamber that is FMTTM has both sides of the story ..
I'll leave you to your echo chamber as I'm not here to pander to your ignorance.Not sure his wife committing a motoring offence adds much context, to be honest.
Well if you don't pander to my ignorance, can you delegate someone else to in your stead. My ignorance needs pandering!I'll leave you to your echo chamber as I'm not here to pander to your ignorance.
I pandered someone's ignorance in an echo chamber once and it was awful.Well if you don't pander to my ignorance, can you delegate someone else to in your stead. My ignorance needs pandering!
I'll leave you to your echo chamber as I'm not here to pander to your ignorance.
An enraged motorist has punched and kicked a Just Stop Oil activist holding up traffic in central London.In footage shared with TalkTV, the driver can be seen getting out of his car to confront the activists during a slow-march.He then punches a protester, knocking him to the floor before kicking his head and shouting: "You f****** little s***".A woman, who appeared to have come from the same car as the attacker, attempts to break up the fight while looking visibly upset.Reacting to the incident on their website, Just Stop Oil said: "At 8:20am, on the opposite side of Cromwell Road to the march, a driver crashed their Mercedes into another vehicle.āSpeaking after he was assaulted, Daniel Knorr, 21, a student from Oxford, who gained notoriety after being carried off the pitch at Lords by Johnny Bairstow, said:"I havenāt said anything to the police and I don't plan to, but I'm afraid that the police might go after this man. I feel no ill sentiment or ill will against him. Itās a difficult situation for anyone to be in and it's bound to create frustration. I can tell with the fact that heād just been in a car accident, he was very stressed.ā