YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

BoroMart

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UKIP might have been all about Brexit, but Brexit was merely a gateway to many right wing policies and I think most Conservatives knew this.
Not so sure most brexit supporters knew it, the question is are they gonna double down on it and stick with the ideas or grow up and think?
 

Lefty

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Not so sure most brexit supporters knew it, the question is are they gonna double down on it and stick with the ideas or grow up and think?

Maybe not, but the Conservative Party knew what it all spelled and the direction of travel they should/could adopt.
 

Lefty

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Latest Savanta MRP polling. Brutal!


  • MRP Voting Intention: Labour 48% (+3); Conservative 28% (-5); Lib Dem 11% (+1); Reform UK 4% (+1); Green 3% (-1); change from Savanta MRP poll in September

  • MRP seat forecast: Labour 482 (+280); Con 69 (-296); SNP 55 (+7); LD 21 (+10); Plaid Cymru 4 (=); Green 1 (=); Labour majority of 314; change from GE 2019 results

  • Model suggests the Conservatives would lose all seats in the north of England, including Rishi Sunak’s Richmond constituency
Lol. 69 Tory seats.

I can't see it being right though. I don't see Richmond not electing a Tory ever. Remarkable that it is even being mooted though.
 

MolteniArcore

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I can't see it being right though. I don't see Richmond not electing a Tory ever. Remarkable that it is even being mooted though.

I totally agree with you there... with the boundaries as they are now. But they are changing and I wonder if that is factored in?
 

Lefty

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Amazing if that happened.

Looking at wiki, the lowest they've ever had seems to be 131 seats in 1906.

Some interesting potential parallels with 1906.

That was a Liberal landslide ushering in a very progressive Campbell-Bannerman government including Asquith, Lloyd George and Churchill. The big issue they fought on was Free Trade, which would mean lowering of prices for consumers, but there was also the pressure from the Labour Movement which did lead to some real changes for the poor and the ordinary workers.

Most of the votes the Liberals won were thought to be a result of dissatisfaction with the Tories, who had been in power for 11 years. The Tories had won the 1900 'Kharki election' with a large majority with the electorate fooled that the Second Boer War was effectively going to be sorted. 'Getting the Boer War done' was probably the slogan. In fact it turned into a prolonged, costly disaster and led to the founding of the Republic of South Africa, international scorn for a UK, a UK that invented concentration camps to contain people in awful conditions and also gave the Irish Independence movement a huge boost.

Electoral pressure from Labour led to a secret 'Gladstone-MacDonald pact' which meant that many seats were not contested between Labour and the Liberals in 1906, who could then focus resources on getting the Tories out.

That pressure from the Left also led to the radical change of a very first budget that specifically set out to redistribute wealth through taxation and the first real movement towards a welfare state with measures on education including free school meals, old age pensions introduced, Labour exchanges introduced to help the unemployed and compulsory health insurance to help sick workers. This led to a constitutional crisis and significant Lords Reform.

Interestingly, the incumbent Tory Prime Minister, Arthur Balfour, who had took over mid term following the resignation of his predecessor, lost his seat in the 1906 election.

It would nice to see a similar repeat of all of this, wouldn't it, including some radical reforms and measures to the Left?
 
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