You Gov Poll on migrants

Barnsy said:
That's not a pleasant statement to bring to any discussion to be fair. It's no wonder slanging matches develop with such intolerance.
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Intolerance Barny, really? Think about the view you are trying to normalise. That someone has no empathy for their fellow man. I am going to go out on a limb and say that anyone who thinks women, children and old men struggling across the channel deserve no sympathy whilst trying to better themselves is.. worthless. This isn't about left v right, it is about obvious human decency.
 
Quite disappointing I think this thread. You can see once ST posted that remark on the 1st page how it was going to go. Admin should step in and close them down. I see the Tory/Brexit voter have managed to get mentioned as the evil axis and labour/remainer the better. I voted Tory and voted leave. Do I think migrants should be rejected? No! Do I think living in them in humane camps in Calais is any form of life? No! Do I blame them for trying to get here? No!

these threads always end up political point scoring which some not all posters will try.
 
Cooper671 said:
Quite disappointing I think this thread. You can see once ST posted that remark on the 1st page how it was going to go. Admin should step in and close them down. I see the Tory/Brexit voter have managed to get mentioned as the evil axis and labour/remainer the better. I voted Tory and voted leave. Do I think migrants should be rejected? No! Do I think living in them in humane camps in Calais is any form of life? No! Do I blame them for trying to get here? No!

these threads always end up political point scoring which some not all posters will try.
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Good for you Coops.

The poll does show there are a number of Tory and Leave voters with some humanity and decency, such as yourself. And some Remain/Labour voters have forgotten theirs.

Perhaps, if i can be generous, it is that decent people can have unthinking moments and sometimes rush to misjudge the point of a question, thus conveying the wrong impression.

I think that’s what Zaphod did. He read into the question something else which is tangential to the immigration issue.

I do think it is important for people to ask why though.

We had years of people not really being that bothered about immigration, then it became a major issue for many, peaking in June 2016, following Mr Farage’s many utterances. It subsequently subsided as people began to see the difficulties they had caused immigrants AND their value to us. Now it is back because, in the middle of the Covid crisis, Farage has decided daily tweets that 15 migrants ‘invading’ Sevenoaks is what concerns him now, the media amplify him and a lot of people remind us that immigration was what Brexit was mostly about for them after all.
 
Cooper671 said:
Quite disappointing I think this thread. You can see once ST posted that remark on the 1st page how it was going to go. Admin should step in and close them down. I see the Tory/Brexit voter have managed to get mentioned as the evil axis and labour/remainer the better. I voted Tory and voted leave. Do I think migrants should be rejected? No! Do I think living in them in humane camps in Calais is any form of life? No! Do I blame them for trying to get here? No!

these threads always end up political point scoring which some not all posters will try.
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Spot on Coops, its the same all the time from the main posters, the Labour/remainer the better while Tory/Brexit your far right. They always argue its the left way or you are Bigoted Underclass filled with hate, then cry you should be banned...
 
Primus84 said:
Evidence please they were safe in France.
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Safer in France than trying to cross the channel on a dinghy I reckon.

I don’t have any sympathy for illegal economic migrants.

How many migrants camps have we got in the UK? that’s why they come here.
 
Primus84 said:
But as I've already demonstrated they're not safe since they're living in dangerous conditions and then being beaten by the French law enforcement agencies.
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You seem to be trying to imply that they need to get to the UK because France is so bad, or dangerous? I think you're arguing that point in order to be awkward. France will be a much safer place to be than the persecution that they've fled from in their original countries.

I do agree with you that the UK has an international responsibility to take a reasonable share though.

Also... FWIW, I actually also feel sorry for these guys (and girls) when they make it to the UK. They seem to have been sold a utopian vision or dream of what the UK is going to be like. When they do finally make it here, having invested an incredible amount of effort, I think they find a much starker reality. It must be pretty depressing.
 
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Depressing reading. Some shocking views around, and as the opening graphic shows, not just on this board. Incidentally Coops, that's where the tory/labour divide aspect of the thread came from, not from someone introducing it part way through.

People having little or no sympathy for desperate human beings, including children, fleeing war and persecution....well I don't even know where to start. Either something missing in their make-up or they are easily led by our scabrous media. Either way, I tend to think these days that my life is too short to try and reason with them. Which is wrong in itself but I'd rather spend my time interacting with people who possess some decency and compassion.
 
Fattimo Maccarone said:
Spot on Coops, its the same all the time from the main posters, the Labour/remainer the better while Tory/Brexit your far right. They always argue its the left way or you are Bigoted Underclass filled with hate, then cry you should be banned...
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What do you expect people of a different and (losing) political persuasion to think of your views?

You voted for the lot in power - and things are **** atm - who are people going to blame but the government and those that put them there?

Voting conservative and voting leave have led to a lot of this country's problems. Why are so many people who voted for each absolutely gagging for a pat on the back for doing so? You made your choice and it's made you unpopular on a niche message board; why do you care?
 
LaPennaBianca said:
What do you expect people of a different and (losing) political persuasion to think of your views?

You voted for the lot in power - and things are **** atm - who are people going to blame but the government and those that put them there?

Voting conservative and voting leave have led to a lot of this country's problems. Why are so many people who voted for each absolutely gagging for a pat on the back for doing so? You made your choice and it's made you unpopular on a niche message board; why do you care?
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Where did i say i voted for the lot in power and say i voted conservative. This is what i am saying most people arnt left or right Labour or Conservative, Remain or Leave We just want whats best for our family and country.Do i have sympathy with real immigrants yes i do, but on all news with these boats are fighting men...
 
The whole premise of the thread is based on a national poll conducted by a recognised polling organisation.

All of us can read.
I would imagine most of us can understand a bar chart.
Statistically, only a few of us will be colour blind.
 
Barnsy said:
That's not a pleasant statement to bring to any discussion to be fair. It's no wonder slanging matches develop with such intolerance.
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It's the way it us though. Our country has been allowed to be over ran be the corrupt, the bigoted and the small minded. It's depressing. They can't be argued or reasoned with, they just spread hatred for others and it's horrible to see.
 
We miss the big picture:
When foreign powers invade your country,
destroy the infrastructure,
install warlords and gangsters,
pay off corrupt officials to guard their natural resources and seize the oil,
when 2,000,000 die
Civilians have no protection against tanks and bullets,
they continue to fear for their wives, husbands, children...
Whether it is Syria - where america backs terrorists with weapons, mercenaries and ammunition,
the same in Lybia,
and other states in the Middle and near east,
where Saudi bombs and drones made in the UK,
are used to wage war on Yemen.
and Somalians are killed by "western" backed terrorists,
and politicians go to war on a pack of lies,
sacrificing our Armed Forces for their corrupt naked self interests.

We are creating refugees - we are forcing people to flee.
We have a responsibility for murder,
and politicians like Blair should be tried for war crimes..
 
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Fattimo Maccarone said:
Spot on Coops, its the same all the time from the main posters, the Labour/remainer the better while Tory/Brexit your far right. They always argue its the left way or you are Bigoted Underclass filled with hate, then cry you should be banned...
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The polling company, which has Tory founders, worded the question and did the further splits on political persuasion. The respondents supplied the results. The results were that by and large Labour voters and Remain voters can generate sympathy for these people while Tory and Leave voters cannot. Are you disappointed by the results? It seems to me like those on that side of the political divide are ashamed of what the mirror shows about them or at least the people they ally ideologically with in most ways, hence all the justification and deflection going on. A few do seem comfortable enough to be proud, mind.

I actually think there isn’t much difference between 75% of us on most things, including sympathy/empathy/compassion for others. The question is why such a stark divide on this, at this particular point in time?

Can I suggest Tory/Leave voters are perhaps a little more prone to fear and distrust of ‘others’ and that they are having their buttons pushed once again, but too emotional/less rational enough to realise it?
 
Humpty said:
Why do you believe they're illegal?
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And if you believe them to be “illegal”, Zaphod, then surely they are as illegal in France as they are in the UK, so why would you sanction them staying in France?

What makes the UK so special?
 
That's one more for the metaphorical dinghy, floating off the coast of FMTTM. They are all due the kind of sympathy that they reserve for people who really have got problems.
 
HarryVegas said:
Glad to see that not every corporate is completely evil and amoral...
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...difTTcL6pDg81qeW0ec2bhouvL1nCCYM2Jg_r3wqoKZXQ
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“If that means upsetting the social media team for a brand of overpriced junk food, then so be it.”
Says a source close to the obese Priti Patel.

Foreign Office minister James Cleverly added: “Can I have a large scoop of statistically inaccurate virtue signalling with my grossly overpriced ice cream, please?”
I detest that term 'virtue signalling'. If you truly believe something is wrong then there shouldn't be any issue in publicly expressing opinions on a particular issue.
 
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