You Gov Poll on migrants

[1finny]

The survey is exactly what was supposed to happen.
Focus on immigrants is always divisive and plays to Tory strengths.

There is nothing else to focus on after all

 

[LaPennaBianca]

Fact is, people are always going to migrate. They have done for aeons. Making the movement of people 'illegal' isn't going to stop it, just make the process more dangerous for the migrants and more expensive for those who wish to curtail it.

 

[zaphod]

Fact is, people are always going to migrate. They have done for aeons. Making the movement of people 'illegal' isn't going to stop it, just make the process more dangerous for the migrants and more expensive for those who wish to curtail it.

So no border controls at all?

 

[Primus84]

Evidence please that they were at risk.

That’s not how this works. You made an assertion now back it up.

 

[zaphod]

That’s not how this works. You made an assertion now back it up.

My assertion is based on the fact that France is a safe law-abiding country, which does not practise persecution.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

So no border controls at all?

No - but don't make it impossible for people to come and intolerable once they're here.

 

[Primus84]

My assertion is based on the fact that France is a safe law-abiding country, which does not practise persecution.

Nope that’s not evidence.

 

[penry1]

Im labour but it shows how much of a failure this whole eu thing is when u look at how desperate they are to get here.

 

[SmallTown]

Im labour but it shows how much of a failure this whole eu thing is when u look at how desperate they are to get here.

You’re going to have to explain this one? Huh?

 

[zaphod]

Nope that’s not evidence.

Actually it is evidence, even if you don't believe it.

You're asking me to provide evidence of a lack of danger, which is of course logically impossible.

 

[Primus84]

Actually it is evidence, even if you don't believe it.

You're asking me to provide evidence of a lack of danger, which is of course logically impossible.

No it’s certainly not evidence. It’s your opinion.

 

[Fattyfoggon]

pretty clear: Conservative - > leaver -> Heartless - -> lookS after number one

 

[Primus84]

This article here whilst it’s from 2018 shows France may not actually be the safest place for these people:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/01/french-police-step-up-calais-refugee-evictions

 

[zaphod]

pretty clear: Conservative - > leaver -> Heartless - -> lookS after number one

Do you really have to join the ranks of the haters, Foggon?

 

[Primus84]

Do you really have to join the ranks of the haters, Primus?

Sorry what?!

 

[zaphod]

Sorry what?!

I meant Foggon. Sorry.

 

[El Guapo]

FWIW I think this thread should probably stop right now and agree to disagree to be honest. If it continues people will end up regretting things said and / or banned. Entrenched views on both side are not going to change and this will descend into a thread the like of which belongs firmly consigned to the worst recesses of the old board.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Im labour but it shows how much of a failure this whole eu thing is when u look at how desperate they are to get here.

They don't all want to come here though, most stay in EU countries. We don't take our fair share.

 

[WeeGord]

FWIW I think this thread should probably stop right now and agree to disagree to be honest. If it continues people will end up regretting things said and / or banned. Entrenched views on both side are not going to change and this will descend into a thread the like of which belongs firmly consigned to the worst recesses of the old board.

I know what you mean and where you're coming from, but let the heartless, selfish b***ds with no compassion expose themselves for what they are.

 

[penry1]

They don't all want to come here though, most stay in EU countries. We don't take our fair share.

Ok. Just the lengths to get over the chanel seem to suggest we offer more than the others