Yet another "benefit" of brexit

Didn’t the Tories start this mess by calling for a referendum. Then when another referendum looked like the only way to end a hung parliament Labour back a election. Lucky for Labour all the voters who were so against Brexit would never put them self before the country and vote for the only party who had any chance of delivering Brexit.
 
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I dont understand how if you are so vehemently against Brexit, you voted Tory and by doing so you must concede you helped it happen as opposed to voting for a party that at least offered some glimmer of possible reprieve against Brexit. I know it shouldn't be a one policy issue, and people vote for the politician in their constituency, but the last election pretty much was fought on one policy. It's by far and away the main reason I did not vote Tory. I don't understand how you can reconcile your choice at the ballot box, not to mention your profound dislike of Johnson and this govt as you have expressed on here in no uncertain terms and have done so frequently
 
Artie Fufkin said:
I dont understand how if you are so vehemently against Brexit, you voted Tory and by doing so you must concede you helped it happen as opposed to voting for a party that at least offered some glimmer of possible reprieve against Brexit. I know it shouldn't be a one policy issue, and people vote for the politician in their constituency, but the last election pretty much was fought on one policy. It's by far and away the main reason I did not vote Tory. I don't understand how you can reconcile your choice at the ballot box, not to mention your profound dislike of Johnson and this govt as you have expressed on here in no uncertain terms and have done so frequently
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He's a hypocrite.
 
coluka said:
People on here moan at people who have a critical eye on the Boro, some calling for Woodgate to go recently were calling to give him time not that long ago.

Brexit isn’t just a Tory thing is it. Many coastal towns across the country did not benefit from the EU much compared to the bigger cities and southern areas. We are where we are, the sooner the country pulls together the better. People need to support the country like they support their team. Nothing has changed last I looked, we currently operate within EU rules. Save your complaints for when real change occurs, but hopefully people will give it a chance like they urged on Woody.
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That sounds good but "pulling together and supporting the country" doesn't help in the real world of international trade and geopolitics. a bit like all of us pulling together and supporting the Boro hasn't stopped us hovering over the relegation trap door.
 
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Whilst we are all entitled to our vote, obviously, to vote for Johnson and/or the conservatives gave a majority to allow the government to deal with our withdrawal from the EU in any way they like. I say this as someone who voted to leave the EU. I didn't conceive of a no deal brexit.

The deal that is being bandied about at the moment is, we have tariff free trade with the EU trading block, but they have the right to introduce tarrifs on any goods that do not meet the EU standards. That puts us in a never ending trade war with the EU.

Johnson's oven ready deal has already been ripped up by the conservatives and for no other reason than he has an 80 seat majority.

We are a long way from screwed, but our entire economy focus has to change, and that will be a painful process and many, many people will suffer.
 
As part WTO terms the UK will have to accept hormone injected beef, if it’s a no deal Brexit - just saying. I’m pescatarian 😃




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Funky, if that was in response to my post, we won't be on WTO terms. We will be free to make our own trade agreements with the rest of the world, but trade with the EU tariff free, until the EU say we cannot! I suspect it is Johnsons way of preparing to blame the nasty folk of the EU.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
As part WTO terms the UK will have to accept hormone injected beef, if it’s a no deal Brexit - just saying. I’m pescatarian 😃
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We have a choice. You seem to assume we will accept lower standards, where is proof. Any food will be labelled. It is not compulsory to purchase, even if it happened. Just pay a bit more for better goods. I do that now anyway, I buy organic. I appreciate price is an issue for some, but you are assuming everyone will buy cheap.
 
Way_Out_West said:
Freedom of movement in a trade deal? Well that's that sorted then.
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Why do you need freedom of movement? You can live and work in almost any country in the world and we don't have freedom of movement with any of them outside of the EU. Travel is the same. Any country is available for you to travel to.

Is filling out a few forms and standing in a queue for a bit longer enough of a reason to hand over control to the EU?
 
coluka said:
We have a choice. You seem to assume we will accept lower standards, where is proof. Any food will be labelled. It is not compulsory to purchase, even if it happened. Just pay a bit more for better goods. I do that now anyway, I buy organic. I appreciate price is an issue for some, but you are assuming everyone will buy cheap.
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Great when you’re seeing labels, but for the majority of people, especially less well off, they will be eating what is cheap, and will have no control over what takeaways and restaurants use, unless you check every time you order, and rely on them to tell you the truth
 
It also assumes it's going to be labeled. GMO produce here is not labeled. It has to be the other way round - some produce is labeled as non-GMO.
 
Restaurants pushing hormone injected beef will be going out of business if the quality of the food is so below standard. The less well off (not sure what wage bracket that is) but if it’s low won’t be eating many restaurant meals.

Most takeaways now are halal... genuine question. Can hormone injected be halal?
 
As long as I'm getting my daily protein intake and it tastes nice I couldn't care less tbh
 
TheFair86 said:
Great when you’re seeing labels, but for the majority of people, especially less well off, they will be eating what is cheap, and will have no control over what takeaways and restaurants use, unless you check every time you order, and rely on them to tell you the truth
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You mean like before, a few year ago, when people were apparently getting horse and other meats mixed in processed and takeaway scandals. The EU protected us all, not. You will never stop exploitation. Takeaways are not cheap, those who use them choose them. Choice is always a factor, you make them sound good value for the poor, they are a lazy and expensive ‘treat’
 
Well its a reality now, but we only see how the country benefits after negoations are done. Mind you some telling cats out the bag comments, I was right all along. At least its on record now.
 
boromike85 said:
All of those things are possible with a trade deal. There is no need to be a member of a union to have any of those things.



The trade deal we will get with the EU, and other countries. You don't actually think that the long term relationship with the EU will be the same as the day 1 no deal situation, even if we do end up with no deal in place next year?
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Ah I get you, so we should have a trade deal with the UE and pay tariffs on that. Rather than trade with them tariff free?

I'm not sure you understand the word "benefit".
 
SmallTown said:
Ah I get you, so we should have a trade deal with the UE and pay tariffs on that. Rather than trade with them tariff free?

I'm not sure you understand the word "benefit".
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There it is again trying to mock somebody's intelligence, do you always do that when debating?

coluka said:
You mean like before, a few year ago, when people were apparently getting horse and other meats mixed in processed and takeaway scandals. The EU protected us all, not. You will never stop exploitation. Takeaways are not cheap, those who use them choose them. Choice is always a factor, you make them sound good value for the poor, they are a lazy and expensive ‘treat’
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Well said here coluka, the meat that takeaways have been using has never been the highest grade, us leaving the EU won't change that, good point about the horse burgers aswell
 
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