Worst ever away day

Colin Warnek said:
There hasn't.
In the UK, "The War on Drugs" is a phoney war. The war they never fought.
Otherwise how can the laws on statute (e.g. jail terms for possession) be so rarely enforced and so differ from real life experience? The police are there to enforce the laws on statute and they don't do it, simple as.

So is the solution to take the laws away (I don't think this would change much as they might as well not be there now in practice) or enforce the laws?

I think the latter.
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You missed my point. entirely.
If one listens to the media and the politicians: they have claimed a "war against drugs" for decades under the banner of "law and order".
My point is that the "war" is nonsense.
We dont need a war to understand where the drugs are coming from and why the use of illicit drugs is prevalent in our society.
If the laws cant be enforced then we have to ask ourselves why?
After 12+ years of the "Party of Law and Order" - what has actually been done (?) The media paint banner headlines when a group of coppers "swoop" on an attic of canabbis plants in Acklam, or a group of scrawny crack-users are evicted from Parli Road for annoying the neighbours!
You talk of "enforcing" laws - do you suggest the Army in full riot gear storm houses and Parliament - where traces of cocaine have been found?
Would you suggest check-points and body searches [Northern Ireland]?
Who and how would do your "enforcement"?
The point is drug use cant be stopped, but risks can be reduced and harm minimised.
 
joeydiaz said:
Cocaine mixes with alcohol in the liver forming cocaethylene. This is much more addictive than solely cocaine and alcohol being used on their own. It’s the reason why a lot of blokes now immediately want a bag once they’ve began drinking. Look it up. Cocaine use amongst under 40 males is a massive problem in the U.K.
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Much more damaging than cocaine.. that’s why you have a lot of under 40 males dropping dead of heart attacks. Long term damage will be horrific
 
There's an old saying that drugs only become a problem when "poor people" can afford them. I remember my first stint in the West End late 80's early 90's, it was about, but out of the price range of most crew and other staff, but not a problem to some of the better paid turns and their Neighbours! When I went back in '99 it was down to £50/£60 a gram, and pretty much every long running West End musical had it's own dealer! Not sure how much it goes for now, but obviously still in a pretty low bracket.
 
I had a gang of 16-20 years old near me at Swansea - I can't tell if they had been taking drugs I was getting pushed a long out of my seat as they would stand 2 to one seat, some should have been in other seats. There were not many alternative free seats for me to go to. They were not aggressive to me, but wanted to be together and I did not confront them. They seemed over hungry often off to get expensive food, one of them was giving Sporar some awful verbal stick. All but one of them missed McCree's goal and they were still away for their half time break. To be honest they generally supported the team, but were oblivious to the needs of others. In the days of standing I would not have been near them. I was concerned about Covid with them
 
r00fie1 said:
You missed my point. entirely.
If one listens to the media and the politicians: they have claimed a "war against drugs" for decades under the banner of "law and order".
My point is that the "war" is nonsense.
We dont need a war to understand where the drugs are coming from and why the use of illicit drugs is prevalent in our society.
If the laws cant be enforced then we have to ask ourselves why?
After 12+ years of the "Party of Law and Order" - what has actually been done (?) The media paint banner headlines when a group of coppers "swoop" on an attic of canabbis plants in Acklam, or a group of scrawny crack-users are evicted from Parli Road for annoying the neighbours!
You talk of "enforcing" laws - do you suggest the Army in full riot gear storm houses and Parliament - where traces of cocaine have been found?
Would you suggest check-points and body searches [Northern Ireland]?
Who and how would do your "enforcement"?
The point is drug use cant be stopped, but risks can be reduced and harm minimised.
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Perhaps I did partly and I agree with the first half of your post. The war on drugs is a nonsense alongside the notion of the Tories leading “law and order” - all just meaningless platitudes as drug abuse and drug culture remains rampant.

You say that drug use can’t be stopped - not entirely it can’t, but usage can certainly be reduced - the UK is one of the worst societies in the world for drug use.

The police should focus on deterring the casual users (like at the football, pubs and clubs) with fines and sentences. It only needs a couple of months of deterrence to influence the casual users and make them decide not to buy that bag of powder after 5 pints.

But enforcement is only one half of the solution - the other is cultural. Drugs should not be glorified or trivialised in films, tv, music etc. People are more easily influenced by this than they’d like to believe.

With respect to minimisation of harm, I don’t believe this will work as drug taking is led partially by the self-destructive devil-may-care impulse.
 
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Colin Warnek said:
Perhaps I did partly and I agree with the first half of your post. The war on drugs is a nonsense alongside the notion of the Tories leading “law and order” - all just meaningless platitudes as drug abuse and drug culture remains rampant.

You say that drug use can’t be stopped - not entirely it can’t, but usage can certainly be reduced - the UK is one of the worst societies in the world for drug use.

The police should focus on deterring the casual users (like at the football, pubs and clubs) with fines and sentences. It only needs a couple of months of deterrence to influence the casual users and make them decide not to buy that bag of powder after 5 pints.

But enforcement is only one half of the solution - the other is cultural. Drugs should not be glorified in films, tv, music etc. People are more easily influenced by this than they’d like to believe.

With respect to minimisation of harm, I don’t believe this will work as drug taking is led partially by the self-destructive devil-may-care impulse.
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Anyone can be "hooked" - starting with school children as young as ten. In a society where people are socially excluded, unlikely to have the opportunity to find established long-term jobs or support, drug - supplying is a lucrative "quick fix". The most profitable illicit drug presently is Methylenedioxymethamphetamine [MDMA]. It was less harmful when it was available legally as "Spice" - because its content was essentially controlled. Now it is illegal and suppliers make it in their own kitchens - adding unbelievable toxins, industrial cleaners and even flour and surface cleaners - selling it at a price which dependants can afford, but which is most lethal and likely to cause permanent damage to the brain, the body and even death.

Heroin use was legitimised by Queen Victoria and the Royal Family, who used it recreationally! It was a product brought to the Empire by ships and along the Asia - Europe "Silk Road". Heroin is no more or less dangerous as alcohol or smoking tabacco. [Certainly I neither condone its use or recommend it]. It is the way the drugs are used and prepared which is the problem for the users.

Users - casual or more dependent - often begin by taking a sniff or a fix from a "mate", at parties, in the pub, at work, etc. They always believe it is under their control.

The media demonise drug use, like they demonise the poor, the weak, disabled, etc: that drug users are of a particular type of person. But they include Bank Managers, Politicians, Active members of the Armed Forces, Social Workers, Police Officers, etc.......Labelling is an easy way to divert our intellect away from looking at who profits from the street drugs market. Lets not kid ourselves. Its not an easy topic to discuss - but the solutions arent found in slogans on an election leaflet, or in the rhetoric of opportunist politicians.

Sometimes people experiencing bereavement, family breakdown, divorce, separation, anxiety, post-traumatic-stress -disorder,etc, believe drugs can provide temporary relief. It doesnt take long from feeling "in control" to being "controlled by" the drug or substance. Its like any other dependency. The person becomes that drug: it is pushed because it is profitable, it creates a craving and therefore a need to need more. Once in that cycle its not always easy to stay "clean" - ask anyone who has "given up" smoking.

What is to be done?
Thats where we have to all take our ear muffs, hats and labelling away - and start to think laterally.(y)
 
r00fie1 said:
What is to be done?
Thats where we have to all take our ear muffs, hats and labelling away - and start to think laterally.(y)
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There’s actually loads we could do!

I’m not sure if the powers that be are ignorant, idiotic or just teat our fans with utter contempt. Probably a bit of all three tbh

The football is a day out. ‘Match day experience’ is not just a buzzword to describe the bare minimum of selling tickets to football game.

The term couldn’t organise a pish up in a brewery is very apt both from the club and their influencers.

THE BARS IN THE CONCOURSE!!

‘Ere maybe can I spend £30 on a ticket to stand 15 minutes waiting at the bar for a pint of pish served in a plastic glass? That way I can spend half time not speaking to anyone.. possibly downing a pint right before kick off or not getting served at all!

What are the alternatives? (this isn’t for everyone btw)
Get tanked up before the match?
Gone end up on my asre and miss most off the game.
Get a bag of sniff and do a few cheeky lines.. no footy missed, still have the banter with the lads and continue the pre match beer buzz.

Why not acknowledge that people go to the games socially, the concourse should be ran efficiently and not like a village fete that has been put on as a favour!

I’ve mentioned paining lines on the floor to have three queue instead of the mish mash of two, POUR PINTS READY TO GO!!! Don’t act like it’s a shock every time someone asks for a pint!

If there was an over 18s section we could have card operated vending machines for cans.
 
It’s tough to have a game so intertwined with our country’s drinking culture and then try to deny all knowledge of it.

We’ve got a gambling company plastered all over our kits, each concourse has it’s own bookies, we’ve got chips, burgers, chocolate, crisps, sugary drinks and the slowest bars available to mankind!

Make the alternatives more appealing or maybe accept that some people do drugs and attempt to educate them and minimise the damage?
 
newyddion said:
There’s actually loads we could do!

I’m not sure if the powers that be are ignorant, idiotic or just teat our fans with utter contempt. Probably a bit of all three tbh

The football is a day out. ‘Match day experience’ is not just a buzzword to describe the bare minimum of selling tickets to football game.

The term couldn’t organise a pish up in a brewery is very apt both from the club and their influencers.

THE BARS IN THE CONCOURSE!!

‘Ere maybe can I spend £30 on a ticket to stand 15 minutes waiting at the bar for a pint of pish served in a plastic glass? That way I can spend half time not speaking to anyone.. possibly downing a pint right before kick off or not getting served at all!

What are the alternatives? (this isn’t for everyone btw)
Get tanked up before the match?
Gone end up on my asre and miss most off the game.
Get a bag of sniff and do a few cheeky lines.. no footy missed, still have the banter with the lads and continue the pre match beer buzz.

Why not acknowledge that people go to the games socially, the concourse should be ran efficiently and not like a village fete that has been put on as a favour!

I’ve mentioned paining lines on the floor to have three queue instead of the mish mash of two, POUR PINTS READY TO GO!!! Don’t act like it’s a shock every time someone asks for a pint!

If there was an over 18s section we could have card operated vending machines for cans.
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The boro aren’t even the worst offenders for it either, a lot of away games you get cans and small plastic bottles for a fiver or more.
 
r00fie1 said:
Anyone can be "hooked" - starting with school children as young as ten. In a society where people are socially excluded, unlikely to have the opportunity to find established long-term jobs or support, drug - supplying is a lucrative "quick fix". The most profitable illicit drug presently is Methylenedioxymethamphetamine [MDMA]. It was less harmful when it was available legally as "Spice" - because its content was essentially controlled. Now it is illegal and suppliers make it in their own kitchens - adding unbelievable toxins, industrial cleaners and even flour and surface cleaners - selling it at a price which dependants can afford, but which is most lethal and likely to cause permanent damage to the brain, the body and even death.

Heroin use was legitimised by Queen Victoria and the Royal Family, who used it recreationally! It was a product brought to the Empire by ships and along the Asia - Europe "Silk Road". Heroin is no more or less dangerous as alcohol or smoking tabacco. [Certainly I neither condone its use or recommend it]. It is the way the drugs are used and prepared which is the problem for the users.

Users - casual or more dependent - often begin by taking a sniff or a fix from a "mate", at parties, in the pub, at work, etc. They always believe it is under their control.

The media demonise drug use, like they demonise the poor, the weak, disabled, etc: that drug users are of a particular type of person. But they include Bank Managers, Politicians, Active members of the Armed Forces, Social Workers, Police Officers, etc.......Labelling is an easy way to divert our intellect away from looking at who profits from the street drugs market. Lets not kid ourselves. Its not an easy topic to discuss - but the solutions arent found in slogans on an election leaflet, or in the rhetoric of opportunist politicians.

Sometimes people experiencing bereavement, family breakdown, divorce, separation, anxiety, post-traumatic-stress -disorder,etc, believe drugs can provide temporary relief. It doesnt take long from feeling "in control" to being "controlled by" the drug or substance. Its like any other dependency. The person becomes that drug: it is pushed because it is profitable, it creates a craving and therefore a need to need more. Once in that cycle its not always easy to stay "clean" - ask anyone who has "given up" smoking.

What is to be done?
Thats where we have to all take our ear muffs, hats and labelling away - and start to think laterally.(y)
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"Spice" is synthetic cannabis and has absolutely zero connection to MDMA which is the active component of Ecstacy. Often sold as a powder and also known as "Molly"

If you can't even get the basics like that right I ain't reading the rest of it
 
BoroBukowski said:
"Spice" is synthetic cannabis and has absolutely zero connection to MDMA which is the active component of Ecstacy. Often sold as a powder and also known as "Molly"

If you can't even get the basics like that right I ain't reading the rest of it
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Cake is a made up drug!
 
Really sad to hear this. Terrible for your 8 year old. I hope they are ok.
Time and again I hear this is a problem at so many clubs in the EFL (I only meet fans from EFL but doubtless it is as bad in premier land).
Earlier in the season we went to Boro and tried to instigate a plan to stop blokes going in women's toilets at matches. Often to do drugs.
The club has responded by sending Boro stewards along to as many clubs as they are allowed (home club has to agree).
There is now a text number to report anonymously any problems such as this at the Riverside. But again at away matches that cannot be done.
So, we need to find a way to stop kids behaving selfishly like this. They also let off 4 flares in the concourse at Preston. In the concourse! How stupid and selfish is that?
I will report this to the fans forum and the football club and also talk it over with Football Supporters Association.
 
newyddion said:
The song was the perfect reaction to our non scoring strikers embarrassing video. I don’t mind the flare tbh.. I think they look dead good! No pyro no party.

Hearing about an eight year old lad getting knocked about is no good.

On the whole I thought our fans were great. Tremendous effort!!
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The flares were in the tightly constricted concourse. Kids eyes were streaming.
 
fmttmadmin said:
I will report this to the fans forum and the football club and also talk it over with Football Supporters Association.
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Is this the answer? What is going to be the result of this? All fans being treated like dog dirt? ‘The Preston Model’ has to be the closest we’ve seen to sensible policing, overall the say was great if not the best.

Are we going to suggest that this did not in fact work, heavier policing is required and more idiotic stewards to be shipping in?

I wouldn’t feel comfortable with highlighting the very few negatives from this game.. maybe doing more harm than good?
 
Squarewheelbike said:
Sadly what it'll take with the flares is either serious injury or loss of life before they start cracking down on it!
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Loss of life from a flare? Like causing a massive fire? I saw a guy at Wembley during the euros who was pish holding a flare and all the hot ashes were dropping on his kid. They were in very close proximity. A little bit of common sense goes a long way with these things.. flares look cool, but don’t be a dijk with them. Some folks take Cocaine., don’t let that impact on anyone else. It’s your personal choice to do that.. but don’t start push kids round or starting other boro fans.
 
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