Woodgate Sacked, Warnock in

I think it was obvious that this wasn't going to work however much Woodgate believed it would. Lots of refreshing talk at the start of the season but he was delusional along with Keane to be talking about pushing for promotion. Whoever takes this on long term, if we stay up, has at least a three season job ahead of them.

The Blackburn away game was one of the few matches I've been to this season and any early season promise was snuffed out then. He had no ideas against organised teams and it was alarming that he stood on the touchline doing nothing to change the shape or the tactics. If you're going to put in young players you've got to be on their shoulder guiding them through the game.

Our more experienced players haven't covered themselves in glory this year - none of them have really grabbed the season by the scruff of the neck, and no-one has shown enough leadership on the pitch consistently enough. We've imploded too many times (sending offs against Hull at home and 2 vs Swansea away) and I said it at the end of the last season, we have too many players hanging around from the last successful period to kickstart anything new. Nothing against any of them - they've been great for us, but its diminishing returns and you have to be ruthless and move players on, not try and remould them.

When it has worked, during the one purple patch we had, we've seen sparks of a good side that needs whipping into shape that could be the way forward.

Woodgate had an unprecedented opportunity in these last three months, despite the difficulties, a chance to take stock, work out a plan for 9 remaining games and show he could learn. For us to be 3-0 down at home in 35 mins against a decent but not world-beating side, with 11 players looking like they never seen each other before. It wasn't going to work out. He looked out of his depth with dealing with players not sure if they want to play or move on once contracts expired.

Gibson has put himself under a lot of pressure now. He has to get the next appointment right and he needs to stick with the blueprint that's been set out - pacy football with players found within our means either from the academy or good picks from other set ups. He's going to have to bite the bullet and put a number of senior people at the club under review (Bausor, Gill, coaching teams, finance depts) and shake up the club from the top down. another coach plopped in alone won't make any difference in the long run.

I could see a Nigel Adkins or Nigel Clough being brought in but they will want at least two seasons to get things as they want them, and I don't know if there's the patience for that.

What I don't want to see is any more PR and marketing trumpeting a new era before a ball has been kicked. Just appoint the person, let him make the changes he needs to make our model work and let him get on with it.
 
We are crying out for a Director of Football to remove Steve Gibson from the equation when it comes to anything relating to the football side of the business. Let SG focus on the running the finance side of things, it's what he's good at.
 
It was worrying on Saturday particularly in the first half Swansea were just so much more professional and intense (when it mattered) with their application. That was something to do with preparation and planning and getting players to do what is asked of them. Woody himself said some of the players let him down. It is harder to motivate when you are so raw yourself, its more than just shouting and praising its also about building long term trust and respect and it takes time.

Steve Gibson has to take some responsibility for the situation because he made the appointment and he controls the purse strings.

Woody comes across to me as a confident person, but you can be sometimes too confident for your own good. He needed more time coaching and assisting. 18 months under Pulis was not long enough.
 
I think it was obvious that this wasn't going to work however much Woodgate believed it would. Lots of refreshing talk at the start of the season but he was delusional along with Keane to be talking about pushing for promotion. Whoever takes this on long term, if we stay up, has at least a three season job ahead of them.

The Blackburn away game was one of the few matches I've been to this season and any early season promise was snuffed out then. He had no ideas against organised teams and it was alarming that he stood on the touchline doing nothing to change the shape or the tactics. If you're going to put in young players you've got to be on their shoulder guiding them through the game.

Our more experienced players haven't covered themselves in glory this year - none of them have really grabbed the season by the scruff of the neck, and no-one has shown enough leadership on the pitch consistently enough. We've imploded too many times (sending offs against Hull at home and 2 vs Swansea away) and I said it at the end of the last season, we have too many players hanging around from the last successful period to kickstart anything new. Nothing against any of them - they've been great for us, but its diminishing returns and you have to be ruthless and move players on, not try and remould them.

When it has worked, during the one purple patch we had, we've seen sparks of a good side that needs whipping into shape that could be the way forward.

Woodgate had an unprecedented opportunity in these last three months, despite the difficulties, a chance to take stock, work out a plan for 9 remaining games and show he could learn. For us to be 3-0 down at home in 35 mins against a decent but not world-beating side, with 11 players looking like they never seen each other before. It wasn't going to work out. He looked out of his depth with dealing with players not sure if they want to play or move on once contracts expired.

Gibson has put himself under a lot of pressure now. He has to get the next appointment right and he needs to stick with the blueprint that's been set out - pacy football with players found within our means either from the academy or good picks from other set ups. He's going to have to bite the bullet and put a number of senior people at the club under review (Bausor, Gill, coaching teams, finance depts) and shake up the club from the top down. another coach plopped in alone won't make any difference in the long run.

I could see a Nigel Adkins or Nigel Clough being brought in but they will want at least two seasons to get things as they want them, and I don't know if there's the patience for that.

What I don't want to see is any more PR and marketing trumpeting a new era before a ball has been kicked. Just appoint the person, let him make the changes he needs to make our model work and let him get on with it.
Warnock might keep us up and fancy a shot at the title? One season bish bash bosh. Long term? It’s just whatever comes to us. I’d like to see Woody involved with the academy, scouting non league players, big club rejects and the like. throw in a couple of trips to France and Spain.
Manager wise? The Dutch have a lot going on, the young German wizkids with their laptops and stats.. something different.. something new. We gotta keep moving and be ahead of the game.
 
I think it was obvious that this wasn't going to work however much Woodgate believed it would. Lots of refreshing talk at the start of the season but he was delusional along with Keane to be talking about pushing for promotion. Whoever takes this on long term, if we stay up, has at least a three season job ahead of them.

The Blackburn away game was one of the few matches I've been to this season and any early season promise was snuffed out then. He had no ideas against organised teams and it was alarming that he stood on the touchline doing nothing to change the shape or the tactics. If you're going to put in young players you've got to be on their shoulder guiding them through the game.

Our more experienced players haven't covered themselves in glory this year - none of them have really grabbed the season by the scruff of the neck, and no-one has shown enough leadership on the pitch consistently enough. We've imploded too many times (sending offs against Hull at home and 2 vs Swansea away) and I said it at the end of the last season, we have too many players hanging around from the last successful period to kickstart anything new. Nothing against any of them - they've been great for us, but its diminishing returns and you have to be ruthless and move players on, not try and remould them.

When it has worked, during the one purple patch we had, we've seen sparks of a good side that needs whipping into shape that could be the way forward.

Woodgate had an unprecedented opportunity in these last three months, despite the difficulties, a chance to take stock, work out a plan for 9 remaining games and show he could learn. For us to be 3-0 down at home in 35 mins against a decent but not world-beating side, with 11 players looking like they never seen each other before. It wasn't going to work out. He looked out of his depth with dealing with players not sure if they want to play or move on once contracts expired.

Gibson has put himself under a lot of pressure now. He has to get the next appointment right and he needs to stick with the blueprint that's been set out - pacy football with players found within our means either from the academy or good picks from other set ups. He's going to have to bite the bullet and put a number of senior people at the club under review (Bausor, Gill, coaching teams, finance depts) and shake up the club from the top down. another coach plopped in alone won't make any difference in the long run.

I could see a Nigel Adkins or Nigel Clough being brought in but they will want at least two seasons to get things as they want them, and I don't know if there's the patience for that.

What I don't want to see is any more PR and marketing trumpeting a new era before a ball has been kicked. Just appoint the person, let him make the changes he needs to make our model work and let him get on with it.
Good post
 
If offered a position, I wonder if Woodgate is big enough to stay on and "learn" from Warnock - I'm not Colin's greatest fan, but as said above, he's a real football man and knows the game in side out

I think that was the plan last season - for him to shadow and 'learn' from Pulis. It didn't work.

No disrespect to the bloke but we all knew he wouldn't have the required intelligence to be a football manager, especially at such a high level. Everyone could see it aside from Gibson, although I think it was more a case of Gibson wanting to take a gamble than him actually believing in Woodgate from the start.

Wish Woodgate all the best but don't feel sorry for him to be honest. He should have done the decent thing ages ago and stepped down, so Gibson wasn't forced into pulling the trigger.
 
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