Will Isaiah reach his potential at boro?

I think he gets away with a lot because of his pace, his footballing attributes currently aren’t good enough for our level currently.

Nothing I’ve said has been out of order or inaccurate from what I’ve seen.

Some agree with me and some disagree with me.

That’s football.
I agree without his pace he wouldn’t be a pro because his basic technical level is fairly low. He’s currently not good enough to start for me and is a project player that could go either way. Was it Warnock that said Djed could be anything he wants or be non-league…same applies to Jones
 
Nobody is disregarding his pace?
What do you mean he gets away with a lot because of his pace? His pace makes him the player he is and is a huge part of his game. You're so determined to be proven right you jump on his every mistake. Posting about his poor cross against Betis in a Pre season friendly when he had not long came off the bench. It's exhausting, just get behind the lad at a time when he probably needs our support more than ever. He's proven how good he can be for us in the past and I'm sure he will do it again.
 
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What do you mean he gets away with a lot because of his pace? His pace makes him the player he is and is a huge part of his game. You're so determined to be proven right you jump on his every mistake. Posting about his poor cross against Betis in a Pre season friendly when he had not long came off the bench. Its exhausting, just get behind the lad at a time when he probably needs our support more than ever. He's proven how good he can be for us in the past and I'm sure he will do it again.
It’s like saying tomlin gets away with a lot with his creativity
 
Not sure why Sexpom is getting such grief here to be honest. Jones hasn’t been at his best for a while, for whatever reason. Referencing that doesn’t mean you can’t back him?

Not everything has to be so black and white/nailed to the mast all the time.
 
Sexpom you are 99% a decent bloke, but you are backing yourself into a corner?

Not too many years ago, Jonesy was playing on dog schit parks in non league.
Michael Carrick commented that players who have not been brought up with the football "lifestyle" can find the transition more difficult. [ie understanding and appreciation of the game in its wider context]

By that, he means many players who come up through academies, with apprenticeships, scholarships and professional training - are at an advantage to raw talented players from off the park. Our Jonesy has a lot of catching up to do, but for me he appears to be doing it. Maybe the pressure to perform 100% every game impacted on his thinking and performance? It happens very easily and very quickly. Hes a terrific talent and deserves support and empathy. He also deserves time to reorg and go again. Michael Carrick has commented many times on what it takes for younger players to advance in the game and face the challenges. He should know
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Sexpom you are 99% a decent bloke, but you are backing yourself into a corner?

Not too many years ago, Jonesy was playing on dog schit parks in non league.
Michael Carrick commented that players who have not been brought up with the football "lifestyle" can find the transition more difficult. [ie understanding and appreciation of the game in its wider context]

By that, he means many players who come up through academies, with apprenticeships, scholarships and professional training - are at an advantage to raw talented players from off the park. Our Jonesy has a lot of catching up to do, but for me he appears to be doing it. Maybe the pressure to perform 100% every game impacted on his thinking and performance? It happens very easily and very quickly. Hes a terrific talent and deserves support and empathy. He also deserves time to reorg and go again. Michael Carrick has commented many times on what it takes for younger players to advance in the game and face the challenges. He should know
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Read my posts from earlier, he has my total support and I want him to succeed with us but for him to do that here he has to improve.

We’ve been saying he’s talented for a while now but he didn’t show it last season apart from the odd ‘flash’.

He’s been poor for a long time now. He’s nowhere near the level of Forss who he will be fighting for that position with and it’s going to be tough to break into the side.

We can’t afford to carry passengers if we want to go up and we must constantly strive for better.

I’m not backing myself into a corner I’m just saying it how I see it, whether I’m right or wrong it’s what I think and whilst I’m given the privilege of posting on this forum I will continue to do that.
 
Not sure why Sexpom is getting such grief here to be honest. Jones hasn’t been at his best for a while, for whatever reason. Referencing that doesn’t mean you can’t back him?

Not everything has to be so black and white/nailed to the mast all the time.
Spot on. I’ll always back him in the 90 mins, but all players are fair game for a review of their performance from fans. Hopefully he’s got through his dark times and can find some form and learn from his mistakes.
 
Read my posts from earlier, he has my total support and I want him to succeed with us but for him to do that here he has to improve.

We’ve been saying he’s talented for a while now but he didn’t show it last season apart from the odd ‘flash’.

He’s been poor for a long time now. He’s nowhere near the level of Forss who he will be fighting for that position with and it’s going to be tough to break into the side.

We can’t afford to carry passengers if we want to go up and we must constantly strive for better.

I’m not backing myself into a corner I’m just saying it how I see it, whether I’m right or wrong it’s what I think and whilst I’m given the privilege of posting on this forum I will continue to do that.
Nobody, as far as I can see, is denying your right to an opinion.

My comments on Isaiah are centred around what Michael Carrick said - I remember because I added it to one of our earlier match-day threads last season.

As for the comparison with Forss - the two careers dont match up. Forss began his football journey at the age of 13 in his native Finland: thats 12 years ago. Jonesy began his football career at Tooting at the age of 18 and by the time he was 20, he signed his first professional contract in football at the Boro in the Championship. His loan spell at St Johnstone didnt work out. At Queen of the South he only made 11 appearances and scored one goal.
Lets be fair - their is little to compare - except that they both wear the shirt and Im pleased they do. Jonesy is on a sharp upward trajectory. Hes no "passenger" and its unfair to infer that he is.

Lets give each other some slack and the players some slack and see how the season pans out. We havent got our full compliment yet, but wont be surprised if the Management Team come up again with a few quality surprises. (y)


 
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Nobody, as far as I can see, is denying your right to an opinion.
There have been calls to delete this thread and a bit of a pile on about this, to be fair.

His comparison is that Jones and Forss currently play the same position, better than Forss is what Izzy needs to aim for if he’s going to get a run in the team
 
There have been calls to delete this thread and a bit of a pile on about this, to be fair.

His comparison is that Jones and Forss currently play the same position, better than Forss is what Izzy needs to aim for if he’s going to get a run in the team
I know nothing about a "pile on" to delete this thread?
And like Sexbomb - I have a right to an opinion just like he does and you do (y)
 
I know nothing about a "pile on" to delete this thread?
And like Sexbomb - I have a right to an opinion just like he does and you do (y)
Exactly we all do and it’s best to address the points not the people making it. If you check back there were a couple of posts asking for this thread to be deleted. Definitely a bit of a pile on on Sexpom from where I’m sat too. People playing the man not the ball.
 
Exactly we all do and it’s best to address the points not the people making it. If you check back there were a couple of posts asking for this thread to be deleted. Definitely a bit of a pile on on Sexpom from where I’m sat too. People playing the man not the ball.
Fair enough - but I havent read all 375 posts. It just seemed from the last few posts Jones was being unfairly compared to other players - so I decided to look at what Michael Carrick said and put my comments in context.

I assume you`re reading this Sexpom - if an apology is due, certainly no personal offense intended. (y)
 
Fair enough - but I havent read all 375 posts. It just seemed from the last few posts Jones was being unfairly compared to other players - so I decided to look at what Michael Carrick said and put my comments in context.

I assume you`re reading this Sexpom - if an apology is due, certainly no personal offense intended. (y)
No apologies necessary I’m a big boy and I will stick to my guns if I think I’m right!

Like I’ve said already we all just want the same thing don’t we? A successful boro.
 
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